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	<title>Comments on: Sharon: US Approves West Bank Settlements, Nuclear Program</title>
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		<title>By: benjamin</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2004/07/31/8144/sharon-us-approves-west-bank-settlements-nuclear-program/#comment-44487</link>
		<dc:creator>benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apologies, the question was directed to Anon.</description>
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		<title>By: benjamin</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2004/07/31/8144/sharon-us-approves-west-bank-settlements-nuclear-program/#comment-44486</link>
		<dc:creator>benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobius,

Please inform what the "world consensus" is?  If it means the informal opinion of the majority of the leaders of the world's countries (a great many of which, I would note, are hardly paragons of good governance), than what relevance does it have to Israeli policy, beyond possible damage to Israel's PR?  If it means the opinion of the General Assembly of the United Nations, I have nothing but contempt for it.  If it means that the majority of the world's nations have not recognized the annexation of East Jerusalem, this is true, but has no bearing on whether Israel can or can't build on that land, at least as Israel views the staus of East Jerusalem in terms of international law (a point of view I happen to agree with); at any rate, its irrelevant to the West Bank and Gaza whether the annexation of East Jerusalem is recognized or not.

The author of the post is also wrong that most Israelis do not support the settlements.  I think most Israelis oppose settlements in Gaza and deep in the West Bank.  The story is quite different in the large settlement blocs such as that which includes Ariel and the post-67 neighborhoods in Jerusalem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobius,</p>
<p>Please inform what the &#8220;world consensus&#8221; is?  If it means the informal opinion of the majority of the leaders of the world&#8217;s countries (a great many of which, I would note, are hardly paragons of good governance), than what relevance does it have to Israeli policy, beyond possible damage to Israel&#8217;s PR?  If it means the opinion of the General Assembly of the United Nations, I have nothing but contempt for it.  If it means that the majority of the world&#8217;s nations have not recognized the annexation of East Jerusalem, this is true, but has no bearing on whether Israel can or can&#8217;t build on that land, at least as Israel views the staus of East Jerusalem in terms of international law (a point of view I happen to agree with); at any rate, its irrelevant to the West Bank and Gaza whether the annexation of East Jerusalem is recognized or not.</p>
<p>The author of the post is also wrong that most Israelis do not support the settlements.  I think most Israelis oppose settlements in Gaza and deep in the West Bank.  The story is quite different in the large settlement blocs such as that which includes Ariel and the post-67 neighborhoods in Jerusalem.</p>
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		<title>By: 8opus</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2004/07/31/8144/sharon-us-approves-west-bank-settlements-nuclear-program/#comment-44485</link>
		<dc:creator>8opus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;unless one recognizes the fact that Israel is a sovereign nation capable of determining its final borders without relying on outdated international resolutions or imaginary "pressure."&lt;/i&gt;

That sounds funny to me -- no sovereign nation is allowed to determine its final borders, because it always affects the neighbouring countries.  (Instead, it's negotiations...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>unless one recognizes the fact that Israel is a sovereign nation capable of determining its final borders without relying on outdated international resolutions or imaginary &#8220;pressure.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That sounds funny to me &#8212; no sovereign nation is allowed to determine its final borders, because it always affects the neighbouring countries.  (Instead, it&#8217;s negotiations&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobius, 

1) The Oslo Accords do not mention any sort of freeze or a committment to halting expansion. 

2) Please note that the term "settler" is also applied to the Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem's Old City. Although you may find disturbing, it is nevertheless consistent with the worldwide (consensus) approach that Jewish "settlements" are communities built on land acquired during the 1967 war.

While you may attempt to differentiate between French Hill, Kiryat Arba, Gush Etzion and the Old City, it is worthwhile to note that virtually no one outside of Israel does. 

3) In my opinion, the Israeli custom of legitimizing certain settlements and disqualifying "illegtimate" ones is a futile exercise - unless one recognizes the fact that Israel is a sovereign nation capable of determining its final borders without relying on outdated international resolutions or imaginary "pressure."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobius, </p>
<p>1) The Oslo Accords do not mention any sort of freeze or a committment to halting expansion. </p>
<p>2) Please note that the term &#8220;settler&#8221; is also applied to the Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem&#8217;s Old City. Although you may find disturbing, it is nevertheless consistent with the worldwide (consensus) approach that Jewish &#8220;settlements&#8221; are communities built on land acquired during the 1967 war.</p>
<p>While you may attempt to differentiate between French Hill, Kiryat Arba, Gush Etzion and the Old City, it is worthwhile to note that virtually no one outside of Israel does. </p>
<p>3) In my opinion, the Israeli custom of legitimizing certain settlements and disqualifying &#8220;illegtimate&#8221; ones is a futile exercise - unless one recognizes the fact that Israel is a sovereign nation capable of determining its final borders without relying on outdated international resolutions or imaginary &#8220;pressure.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mobius in israel</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2004/07/31/8144/sharon-us-approves-west-bank-settlements-nuclear-program/#comment-44483</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius in israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because that was the point i thought we committed to halting expansion and making peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because that was the point i thought we committed to halting expansion and making peace</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobius,

That is a pretty convenient definition. 

However, it is not one shared by most of the world. 

Last I checked, the French Hill neighborhood, Gilo, and the Jewish quarter of the Old City was built on land acquired during by Israel during the 1967 war. 

I am curious - why do you choose Oslo 1 as a cut-off date?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobius,</p>
<p>That is a pretty convenient definition. </p>
<p>However, it is not one shared by most of the world. </p>
<p>Last I checked, the French Hill neighborhood, Gilo, and the Jewish quarter of the Old City was built on land acquired during by Israel during the 1967 war. </p>
<p>I am curious - why do you choose Oslo 1 as a cut-off date?</p>
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		<title>By: mobius in israel</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2004/07/31/8144/sharon-us-approves-west-bank-settlements-nuclear-program/#comment-44481</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius in israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would consider settlements pretty much anything built post-Oslo I that started out as caravans...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would consider settlements pretty much anything built post-Oslo I that started out as caravans&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobius, 

Please define a "settlement."

Does your interpretation include the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem, Gilo, and the Jewish quarter of the Old City?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobius, </p>
<p>Please define a &#8220;settlement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does your interpretation include the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem, Gilo, and the Jewish quarter of the Old City?</p>
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		<title>By: mobius in israel</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2004/07/31/8144/sharon-us-approves-west-bank-settlements-nuclear-program/#comment-44479</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius in israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what bush says to the press and what he says behind closed doors is likely akin in manner to the way arafat says one thing to the white press and another to the arab press .. the press is merely a vehicle for prolefeed and not a venue for truth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what bush says to the press and what he says behind closed doors is likely akin in manner to the way arafat says one thing to the white press and another to the arab press .. the press is merely a vehicle for prolefeed and not a venue for truth</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mob,
don't let Sharon fool you. Bush/Rice/Powell/Foggy Bottom have not changed any US policy recently. The US does not support 'settlement blocs'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mob,<br />
don&#8217;t let Sharon fool you. Bush/Rice/Powell/Foggy Bottom have not changed any US policy recently. The US does not support &#8217;settlement blocs&#8217;.</p>
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