ANALYSIS / Timing of second Jerusalem bulldozer attack was amazing
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Shhh! Let’s not report the attack on Jewschool! WE are the agressors remmember? Not the innocent Israeli Arabs who we have been abusing for decades and whose land we occupy . . .
—Merliner · July 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 am
How long will the fiction of “Israel” Palestinians versus “Palestinian” Palestinians continue?
The attacker should have been a resident of Palestine, not Israel.
If he was working in Israel, it should have been on a visa and work permit, not with an Israel ID card.
How much longer will this charade continue?
—Jonathan · July 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 am
Merliner, no, you’re totally right. My bad. Here’s what I meant to post there instead, off of JTA:
And here was supposed to be my headline:
Jews save Arabs from Jews — for once
—Kung Fu Jew · July 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
hahaha I was thinking the same thing when I read that headline in today’s Haaretz, like WTF? I also love how whenever a report or action is criticized by the gov’t or an individual Haaretz says “slams.” It’s just funny to me.
—rootlesscosmo · July 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I know that it’s easy to get in trouble for comparing anything to the Holocaust and most likely there will be some conservative browsing this site who will try to bash me for this comment, but I wanted to bring it up (and I believe this is probably the safest space to do this).
My first reaction to reading Kung Fu’s “intended post” was to think about the righteous gentiles who fought with and defied fellow Christians in order to save Jews in Nazi Germany. It wasn’t an intentional association (because the Jewish community has conditioned me to avoid all comparisons to the Holocaust, lest we detract from the horror of its uniqueness) but it seems all too relevant.
It seems that the longer the occupation continues, the more my mind makes unconscious associations between Israelis and Nazis, and Palestinians and Jews. I wouldn’t go as far to say that the Israelis are committing genocide (as some would), in fact I feel very uncomfortable when I make any of these sorts of comparisons. As I said, they usually pop into my head without any prerecognition.
I wonder if any one else feels this way?
—Jerusalen · July 23rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Jonathan: There is a reason the Arab Israeli community has always opposed the Lieberman Plan; the majority of them do not want to be ‘Palestinians’. That doesn’t mean they necessarily want to be Israelis either, but pragmatically being a ‘Palestinian’ sucks compared to being an ‘Israeli’ and for the many completely secular Arabs in Israel, that’s enough to make being an Israeli worthwhile.
—Kari · July 24th, 2008 at 7:46 am
So? I’m talking about what’s best for Israel.
If you want to further the fiction that there is some difference between the “Arab Israeli” community–the great majority of it, at least–and the Palestinian community, fine.
As if Tulkarm is Palestine but Uhm al-Fahm is Israel. As if Bethlehem is Palestine but Jabel Mukaber is Israel. As if the Hebron region is Palestine but the nothereast Negev is Israel. We can go to those “Israeli” areas and the people there would not say that they are Palestinians?????
Why are only some of the mistakes of 1967 and of 1949-50 reversible?
—Jonathan · July 24th, 2008 at 8:27 am
And really, Kari, the argument that life in Israel is better for the Palestinians is the same argument–on some level–that is used by the settlement community. Their point is that Palestinians in Jerusalem don’t want to lose their ID cards, and that life for Palestinians in the territories was better before 1994 and certainly before 1967 (which is accurate is we measure standard of living by per capita income, life expectancy, level of higher education, medical treatement.)
But, in the long-run, the occupation is untenable, as is the situation with “Israeli” Palestinians. In this regard, Lieberman is correct.
Plans such as that offered by the geographer Yehoshua Ben-Arieh–a regional solution based on land swaps and border exchanges, by which Gaza can be tripled by expanded its boundaries southward into the Sinai–are the most logical answers.
—Jonathan · July 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Despite how many times we might clash here, Jonathan, I wish your pragmatism was contagious amongst all Jews.
—Kung Fu Jew · July 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
If it is pragmatism or not, KFJ, I don’t know.
But we are at risk of losing everything we’ve spent a century building here.
—Jonathan · July 24th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Jerusalen: You make Nazi-Israeli mental associations for the same reason you are averse to making Holocaust comparisons: conditioning.
The Nazi-Israeli trope has been in use for decades and it’s only natural that it would make its way into your subconscious, however absurd it is. The Nazi-Israeli comparison is quick, cute and convenient, and has slowly become a acceptable idea in media and popular culture. It’s also utterly inaccurate and offensive.
As I’ve said on here before: I find that people who draw these weak analogies (Apartheid/Zionism; Nazi/Israeli; etc.), aside from evincing a desire to deny or downplay Jewish rights or history, suffer from an even more banal affliction: utter lack of imagination. Just because an analogy is convenient does not make it remotely true.
—rootlesscosmo · July 24th, 2008 at 6:54 pm