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	<title>Comments on: Arizona Congresswoman Giffords: Jewish enough</title>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2011/01/10/25146/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-jewish-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-507556</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Larry. My family survived the Nazis and the Communists, but here in America we would be lost without you. *barf*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Larry. My family survived the Nazis and the Communists, but here in America we would be lost without you. *barf*</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2011/01/10/25146/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-jewish-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-507544</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muman613 is not the only person commenting on this post who believes he has a lock on Torah.  Those who share with him his antiquated ideas should join him in waking up and smelling the coffee.  

The Torah is a living document, and there are many people who live it and live with it, reading it differently than do Muman613 and JIDF. You don&#039;t like Ms. Giffords&#039; way of being Jewish, or my way -- that&#039;s your problem, not mine.  One reason that 90% of American Jews are not Orthodox is the attitude in some segments of the Orthodox community of my way or the highway.  In choosing the highway, and by being players in American society, we made it possible for you to live your lives as you see fit -- demonstrating once again that no good deed goes unpunished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muman613 is not the only person commenting on this post who believes he has a lock on Torah.  Those who share with him his antiquated ideas should join him in waking up and smelling the coffee.  </p>
<p>The Torah is a living document, and there are many people who live it and live with it, reading it differently than do Muman613 and JIDF. You don&#8217;t like Ms. Giffords&#8217; way of being Jewish, or my way &#8212; that&#8217;s your problem, not mine.  One reason that 90% of American Jews are not Orthodox is the attitude in some segments of the Orthodox community of my way or the highway.  In choosing the highway, and by being players in American society, we made it possible for you to live your lives as you see fit &#8212; demonstrating once again that no good deed goes unpunished.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooklynjew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooklynjew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Muman613:&quot;I am sorry about Mrs Giffords, but maybe this will save a Jew from making a very sorry mistake in the future…&quot;

Excuse me, what is this supposed to mean? Don&#039;t intermarry, you might get shot in the head, but that&#039;ll be cool because you&#039;ll serve as an example to all the other Jews? Clarify your statement, if you will. If not, I will take it for what it appears to be: a justification of violence towards intermarried Jews, and Jews who are born of intermarriages. Your statement is utterly vile, especially in the aftermath of this tragedy. 

As a Jewish woman with a Jewish father and quaker mother, I really don&#039;t like this whole &quot;purebred, mixed breed&quot; terminology. For goodness sakes, we&#039;re human beings, not showdogs. I don&#039;t see my parents&#039; backgrounds as making me different from other Jews. The distinction barely even comes up in my everyday life. I feel the same way about the term &quot;half&quot; Jewish: I&#039;m not half Jewish, my identity is not fractured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Muman613:&#8221;I am sorry about Mrs Giffords, but maybe this will save a Jew from making a very sorry mistake in the future…&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse me, what is this supposed to mean? Don&#8217;t intermarry, you might get shot in the head, but that&#8217;ll be cool because you&#8217;ll serve as an example to all the other Jews? Clarify your statement, if you will. If not, I will take it for what it appears to be: a justification of violence towards intermarried Jews, and Jews who are born of intermarriages. Your statement is utterly vile, especially in the aftermath of this tragedy. </p>
<p>As a Jewish woman with a Jewish father and quaker mother, I really don&#8217;t like this whole &#8220;purebred, mixed breed&#8221; terminology. For goodness sakes, we&#8217;re human beings, not showdogs. I don&#8217;t see my parents&#8217; backgrounds as making me different from other Jews. The distinction barely even comes up in my everyday life. I feel the same way about the term &#8220;half&#8221; Jewish: I&#8217;m not half Jewish, my identity is not fractured.</p>
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		<title>By: Balaam's Donkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balaam's Donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny hearing about privacy from the guy who put my twitter feed onto a FriendFeed list entitled &quot;Traitors&quot;. 

MY TWITTER FEED WHERE I TALK ABOUT COMIC BOOKS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny hearing about privacy from the guy who put my twitter feed onto a FriendFeed list entitled &#8220;Traitors&#8221;. </p>
<p>MY TWITTER FEED WHERE I TALK ABOUT COMIC BOOKS.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;trying to put the lives of Jews who support our work at risk.&lt;/em&gt;
delusions of grandeur, much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>trying to put the lives of Jews who support our work at risk.</em><br />
delusions of grandeur, much?</p>
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		<title>By: Kung Fu Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kung Fu Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KRG: The terminology of purebred and mixed pleasantly highlights the stupidity of the terms of this conversation. If we were having this conversation about not parentage but Jewishly-active parents, then we might be able to make progress. But you&#039;re talking about two Jewish parents, no matter how central Jewish life is or isn&#039;t to them. It was a generation of purebred Jews who decided to intermarry in such high rates in the first place. Shouldn&#039;t we diagnose why that happened, since dual-parentage clearly wasn&#039;t enough? Maybe there is a greater cause at play? 

Intermarriage isn&#039;t discussed as the fleeing of a deteriorating and stagnant American Jewish community failing to adapt to new demands on religious communities, universally high fluidity in religious identification, and a distaste for ethnic homogeneity. This is an American phenomenon, not a solely Jewish one. While the Christian Right blames &quot;the war on Christmas,&quot; the Jewish community blames intermarriage. That sex lives are singled out seems Freudian. 

And it&#039;s sad but true that Jewishness includes a racial element -- thanks to Hitler, anti-Semites and the enshrinement of it in the Law of Return. We&#039;ve all heard someone&#039;s parents (like my own) ask after a new significant other, &quot;Is she Jewish?&quot; And the reply comes, &quot;Yes, but she&#039;s not religious.&quot; The racially-tinged reply inevitably follows: &quot;That&#039;s okay, at least she&#039;s Jewish.&quot; That&#039;s definitely not the definition you&#039;re proposing, KRG, but that&#039;s how the conservation goes. 

Any conversation where intermarriage defines the terms of discussing Jewish continuity necessitates to me the use of &quot;purebred.&quot; Just to highlight how far astray we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KRG: The terminology of purebred and mixed pleasantly highlights the stupidity of the terms of this conversation. If we were having this conversation about not parentage but Jewishly-active parents, then we might be able to make progress. But you&#8217;re talking about two Jewish parents, no matter how central Jewish life is or isn&#8217;t to them. It was a generation of purebred Jews who decided to intermarry in such high rates in the first place. Shouldn&#8217;t we diagnose why that happened, since dual-parentage clearly wasn&#8217;t enough? Maybe there is a greater cause at play? </p>
<p>Intermarriage isn&#8217;t discussed as the fleeing of a deteriorating and stagnant American Jewish community failing to adapt to new demands on religious communities, universally high fluidity in religious identification, and a distaste for ethnic homogeneity. This is an American phenomenon, not a solely Jewish one. While the Christian Right blames &#8220;the war on Christmas,&#8221; the Jewish community blames intermarriage. That sex lives are singled out seems Freudian. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s sad but true that Jewishness includes a racial element &#8212; thanks to Hitler, anti-Semites and the enshrinement of it in the Law of Return. We&#8217;ve all heard someone&#8217;s parents (like my own) ask after a new significant other, &#8220;Is she Jewish?&#8221; And the reply comes, &#8220;Yes, but she&#8217;s not religious.&#8221; The racially-tinged reply inevitably follows: &#8220;That&#8217;s okay, at least she&#8217;s Jewish.&#8221; That&#8217;s definitely not the definition you&#8217;re proposing, KRG, but that&#8217;s how the conservation goes. </p>
<p>Any conversation where intermarriage defines the terms of discussing Jewish continuity necessitates to me the use of &#8220;purebred.&#8221; Just to highlight how far astray we are.</p>
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		<title>By: JIDF</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2011/01/10/25146/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-jewish-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-507423</link>
		<dc:creator>JIDF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JIDF supporters have a right to privacy.  We respect that and do everything in our power to protect them.  Everyone online has a right to privacy, actually:  

https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity 

It&#039;s a shame Jewschool editors/writers do not respect that right whatsoever, as they try to &quot;out&quot; the identity of people who dare to make a critical comment on their measly site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIDF supporters have a right to privacy.  We respect that and do everything in our power to protect them.  Everyone online has a right to privacy, actually:  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity" rel="nofollow">www.eff.org/issues/anonymity</a> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame Jewschool editors/writers do not respect that right whatsoever, as they try to &#8220;out&#8221; the identity of people who dare to make a critical comment on their measly site.</p>
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		<title>By: JIDF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JIDF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sensitive to criticism that you can&#039;t even take it without trying to put the lives of Jews who support our work at risk.  Talk about incivility!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sensitive to criticism that you can&#8217;t even take it without trying to put the lives of Jews who support our work at risk.  Talk about incivility!</p>
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		<title>By: Kung Fu Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kung Fu Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mistakes are not lies, Mr. Brodsky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mistakes are not lies, Mr. Brodsky.</p>
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		<title>By: JIDF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JIDF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you censored far too much of my comment.  none of my criticism was lacked civility.  the fact that you did not correct your mistake despite many people mentioning it, many times, and you even acknowledging it, and claiming you were going to correct it is not &quot;incivility.&quot;  i can&#039;t help how that makes you look.  stating that this site publishes lies is not &quot;incivility,&quot; either, especially as you published lies in this case, and in a piece about the JIDF, and G-d knows how many other pieces.  

it appears you cannot handle criticism.  i will be posting my comment, in full, on Twitter---along with your butchering of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you censored far too much of my comment.  none of my criticism was lacked civility.  the fact that you did not correct your mistake despite many people mentioning it, many times, and you even acknowledging it, and claiming you were going to correct it is not &#8220;incivility.&#8221;  i can&#8217;t help how that makes you look.  stating that this site publishes lies is not &#8220;incivility,&#8221; either, especially as you published lies in this case, and in a piece about the JIDF, and G-d knows how many other pieces.  </p>
<p>it appears you cannot handle criticism.  i will be posting my comment, in full, on Twitter&#8212;along with your butchering of it.</p>
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