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By: From the J Street conference to TribeFest, division and convergence | Jewschool

Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:20:20 +0000

[...] of change swirling within the North American Jewish community. (See my report on J Street’s moving opening session.) Suffice it to say, I saw division. But I also saw buds of [...]

By: Victor

Victor — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:29:34 +0000

I assume every hyperbolic narrative is a lie

Including that one

By: Justin

Justin — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:44:20 +0000

a) I was speaking of the US
b) I assume every hyperbolic narrative is a lie

By: Victor

Victor — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:55:16 +0000

If children born into orthodox families stayed orthodox, then the orthodox movement would be the largest by leaps and bounds.

Is that true? How many orthodox Jews were there in Israel in 1948, relative to the rest of the population? I’ve been hearing a lot of scaremongering from the left that the orthodox demographics will mean the end of a secular, democratic Israel. Is that narrative a lie?

By: Justin

Justin — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:00:23 +0000

furthermore,
If children born into orthodox families stayed orthodox, then the orthodox movement would be the largest by leaps and bounds. but it is not. it is the smallest of the mainstream factions. gee, do the math…

By: Justin

Justin — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:57:17 +0000

Boxthorn,
you once again prove your complete inanity when it comes to analyzing numbers. believe it or not, there are non-orthodox people who vote for orthodox parties. ESPECIALLY shas. what’s more, the numbers you presented don’t represent an increase in voting trends, which they should according to your analysis. give it up, man. you’re just embarrassing yourself.

By: BZ

BZ — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 03:13:34 +0000

Of the four constituent parties that comprise the National Union, only one (Eretz Yisrael Shelanu) is officially a religious party. So that's just 20 Knesset seats, not 23.

By: Dave Boxthorn

Dave Boxthorn — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:59:57 +0000

@ Justin

So do Orthos stay Ortho when they become adults? I have no American data, but the results of Israeli elections (only adults can vote) clearly shows growth among adult Orthodoxy in Israel.

Elections Percentage of vote for religious parties
1951 3.6
1955 13.8
1959 14.6
1961 13.8
1965 14.0
1969 14.8
1973 12.9
1977 14.1
1981 11.8
1984 9.8
1988 14.6
1992 13.3
1996 19.5
1999 17.2
2003 22.23
2006 16.67
2009 19.61

source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knesset

Currently out of 120 seats, religious parties hold 23 (19.2%), made up of Shas, United Torah Judaism, National Union, and the Jewish Home

By: You can find me (overwhelmed) on J Street at Judaism Without Borders

You can find me (overwhelmed) on J Street at Judaism Without Borders — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:48:06 +0000

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By: Jonathan1

Jonathan1 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 15:44:39 +0000

Peres. What a joke. Boy do I miss Rabin. Now there’s a man who learned the power of a bullet when it comes to making peace. I bet he wishes he kicked the settlers out of Hebron in ‘94.

@JG

If Rabin hadn’t have been murdered, you wouldn’t like him any more than you like Peres.

Rabin probably would have won a very narrow victory over Bibi in ’96, and then the Second Intifada would have probably started around ’98, rather than ’00, and you’d be saying the same things about Rabin that everybody says about Ehud Barak today.