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		<title>By: Chorus of Apes</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2011/06/20/26447/guest-post-refocusing-the-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-630986</link>
		<dc:creator>Chorus of Apes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agh, should say &quot;understands,&quot; silly typos.</description>
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		<title>By: Chorus of Apes</title>
		<link>http://jewschool.com/2011/06/20/26447/guest-post-refocusing-the-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-630982</link>
		<dc:creator>Chorus of Apes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The “Palestinians” were invented expressly FOR the purpose of the murder of every last Jew in Israel and the destruction of the State of Israel.&lt;/i&gt;

Do you know how crazy you sound?

Read up on some basic scholarship on nationalism, like &lt;a&gt;Hobsbawm&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=4mmoZFtCpuoC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=benedict+anderson&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=euAKTrGBBaH40gH68oWtAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anderson&lt;/a&gt;, then we can talk about who has what kind of grasp on history, or who even understand how the discipline of history works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The “Palestinians” were invented expressly FOR the purpose of the murder of every last Jew in Israel and the destruction of the State of Israel.</i></p>
<p>Do you know how crazy you sound?</p>
<p>Read up on some basic scholarship on nationalism, like <a>Hobsbawm</a> and <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=4mmoZFtCpuoC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=benedict+anderson&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=euAKTrGBBaH40gH68oWtAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">Anderson</a>, then we can talk about who has what kind of grasp on history, or who even understand how the discipline of history works.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here’s what he said: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.” &lt;/i&gt;

That was a chilling moment.

But, thank God, Arafat has left this world.  So maybe there is still a chance to cut a deal with those who might actually want to cut a deal: Abbas; Fayyaad; Barghouti, et.

If not, what are we left with, Hamas? (I know, I know, Hamas&#039;s leadership is jumping at a chance to sign a treaty with Israel, and it&#039;s only my AIPAC brainwashing that has led me to think otherwise.)

Still, we still have a chance with many Fatah people; let&#039;s not blow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here’s what he said: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.” </i></p>
<p>That was a chilling moment.</p>
<p>But, thank God, Arafat has left this world.  So maybe there is still a chance to cut a deal with those who might actually want to cut a deal: Abbas; Fayyaad; Barghouti, et.</p>
<p>If not, what are we left with, Hamas? (I know, I know, Hamas&#8217;s leadership is jumping at a chance to sign a treaty with Israel, and it&#8217;s only my AIPAC brainwashing that has led me to think otherwise.)</p>
<p>Still, we still have a chance with many Fatah people; let&#8217;s not blow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew Guevara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jew Guevara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what we are contending with, people:

I&#039;d like to know what, if anything, our liberal denominations are doing to confront the threat of this kind of ignorant extremism? Or is everyone working on &#039;deligitimization&#039; these days?

&quot;Jews have every reason to have a deep fear of “Palestinians”, since “Palestinians” do not exist and were only a recent invention of the mind of Yassir Arafat in the 1960s. The “Palestinians” were invented expressly FOR the purpose of the murder of every last Jew in Israel and the destruction of the State of Israel. Don’t you even have the SMALLEST grasp on history, Jonah and Kelly?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what we are contending with, people:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know what, if anything, our liberal denominations are doing to confront the threat of this kind of ignorant extremism? Or is everyone working on &#8216;deligitimization&#8217; these days?</p>
<p>&#8220;Jews have every reason to have a deep fear of “Palestinians”, since “Palestinians” do not exist and were only a recent invention of the mind of Yassir Arafat in the 1960s. The “Palestinians” were invented expressly FOR the purpose of the murder of every last Jew in Israel and the destruction of the State of Israel. Don’t you even have the SMALLEST grasp on history, Jonah and Kelly?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 02:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SarahRachel writes:
&lt;i&gt;Jews have every reason to have a deep fear of “Palestinians”, since “Palestinians” do not exist&lt;/i&gt;

So if I understand you correctly, we should fear them BECAUSE they don&#039;t exist?  Should we fear the Easter Bunny even more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SarahRachel writes:<br />
<i>Jews have every reason to have a deep fear of “Palestinians”, since “Palestinians” do not exist</i></p>
<p>So if I understand you correctly, we should fear them BECAUSE they don&#8217;t exist?  Should we fear the Easter Bunny even more?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahRachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahRachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah and Kelly said, &quot;Yet, after living here we can say without question that many Jews and Palestinians say that they want peace, but the peace they describe is a a far cry from the shalom for which we pray. When we are confronted by the deep fear of the other and the ways in which that manifests itself into structural violence and racism, we are shocked and want to work to make it better. We, who were taught that the Israeli Army is the most moral army in the world, are thrown into disequilibrium when we see our own acting cruelly to innocent Palestinians at checkpoints.&quot;
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Jews have every reason to have a deep fear of &quot;Palestinians&quot;, since &quot;Palestinians&quot; do not exist and were only a recent invention of the mind of Yassir Arafat in the 1960s. The &quot;Palestinians&quot; were invented expressly FOR the purpose of the murder of every last Jew in Israel and the destruction of the State of Israel. Don&#039;t you even have the SMALLEST grasp on history, Jonah and Kelly?

Here, try this. The answers to the following questions are known about every indigenous people anywhere in the world, including the Jews. However, there are no answers whatsoever to these questions for the &quot;Palestinians&quot;. And of course you are aware that Palestine was a Roman territory and then a territory of subsequent invaders, right? Palestine was never an independent country of its own. In fact, by the time the Roman General Hadrian during the 2nd Roman invasion around 136 CE decided to rename Israel to Palestine, the land had already been Israel for over a thousand years. Before that it was the land of Canaan, NOT Palestine. And the Canaanites did two things when the Jews came in, they left or they intermarried with the Jews. There are no Canaanites today nor any of their descendents except for what runs through JEWISH blood. 

After the Roman conquest in which Israel was renamed Palestine, it was the JEWS who were referred to as Palestinians. Not the Arabs. Even on old passports you will see &quot;Palestinian Jew&quot; for the Jewish passports and simply &quot;Arab&quot; for the Arabs. Not &quot;Palestinian Arab&quot;. The Arabs never claimed to be Palestinians until Yassir Arafat told them to in the 1960s as a way to create a false people with a false sad story that would rally the world against Israel. 

And it has worked remarkably well, in part thanks to the Israeli Govt that insists on acting like the &quot;Palestinians&quot; exist and even negotiating with them over land that never belonged to &quot;Palestinians&quot; any more than it belonged to the Tooth Fairy.

But now, on to the questions. Please, Kelly and Jonah, answer just one of these questions and perhaps we will all learn that there actually was an indigenous people to the land of Israel who were called Palestinians. 

1. Where did the Palestinians come from? 
2. What were the parameters of their country?
3. What type of Government did they have? Was it a monarchy? A Democratic type of Govt? 
4. What are the names of some of their Kings or Presidents?
5. What sort of court system did they have in place for crime and punishment, or to be sure that the widowed and orphaned were cared for?
6. What were some of the names of Palestinian towns and where were they located?
7. What Deities did the Palestinians worship? Were they Monotheistic, were they Polytheistic, were they God/Goddess based, or were they worshippers of the planetary bodies, or none of the above?
8. Where were their places of worship? Did they have Temples, or did they have outside areas where they worshipped and if so, where are these areas located?
9. What were some of the cultural aspects of the ancient Palestinians? How did the men dress? How did the women dress? 
10. What was their language? 
11. What were some of their practices or ceremonies regarding lifecyle milestones such as coming of age, marriage, births, death and funerals? Did they have different ceremonies for boys than girls and if so what were the differences?
12. Were they a peaceful people or did they go out conquering other lands and peoples? If they did, what lands and what other peoples did they conquer? 

That&#039;s just a few questions to start you on your journey of discovery. Please, actually do try to answer these questions, before you ever write something as ignorant as you wrote here. Seriously.  

And by the way, the ancient Philistines were not the ancient Palestinians, this has already been proven through archealogy and even genetically.  Did you know that &quot;Philistine&quot; is Plishtim and means &quot;Foreigner&quot;? Yes thats right, the Philistines weren&#039;t from the Land either.

Please, do yourselves a favor and educate yourselves because you are sitting ducks for extermination otherwise. And that&#039;s not even close to being an exaggeration. 

I&#039;ll help you a little bit with a quote from one of Yassir Arafat&#039;s right hand men. On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here&#039;s what he said: 


&quot;The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct &quot;Palestinian people&quot; to oppose Zionism. 

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.&quot; 


Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel. 

On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here&#039;s what he said: &quot;Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.&quot; 

Good luck with your education, Kelly and Jonah. You&#039;re going to need it because I&#039;m very sure that you do not want to unwittingly lend a hand to the slaughter of your fellow Jews and the destruction of Israel. Do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah and Kelly said, &#8220;Yet, after living here we can say without question that many Jews and Palestinians say that they want peace, but the peace they describe is a a far cry from the shalom for which we pray. When we are confronted by the deep fear of the other and the ways in which that manifests itself into structural violence and racism, we are shocked and want to work to make it better. We, who were taught that the Israeli Army is the most moral army in the world, are thrown into disequilibrium when we see our own acting cruelly to innocent Palestinians at checkpoints.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Jews have every reason to have a deep fear of &#8220;Palestinians&#8221;, since &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; do not exist and were only a recent invention of the mind of Yassir Arafat in the 1960s. The &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; were invented expressly FOR the purpose of the murder of every last Jew in Israel and the destruction of the State of Israel. Don&#8217;t you even have the SMALLEST grasp on history, Jonah and Kelly?</p>
<p>Here, try this. The answers to the following questions are known about every indigenous people anywhere in the world, including the Jews. However, there are no answers whatsoever to these questions for the &#8220;Palestinians&#8221;. And of course you are aware that Palestine was a Roman territory and then a territory of subsequent invaders, right? Palestine was never an independent country of its own. In fact, by the time the Roman General Hadrian during the 2nd Roman invasion around 136 CE decided to rename Israel to Palestine, the land had already been Israel for over a thousand years. Before that it was the land of Canaan, NOT Palestine. And the Canaanites did two things when the Jews came in, they left or they intermarried with the Jews. There are no Canaanites today nor any of their descendents except for what runs through JEWISH blood. </p>
<p>After the Roman conquest in which Israel was renamed Palestine, it was the JEWS who were referred to as Palestinians. Not the Arabs. Even on old passports you will see &#8220;Palestinian Jew&#8221; for the Jewish passports and simply &#8220;Arab&#8221; for the Arabs. Not &#8220;Palestinian Arab&#8221;. The Arabs never claimed to be Palestinians until Yassir Arafat told them to in the 1960s as a way to create a false people with a false sad story that would rally the world against Israel. </p>
<p>And it has worked remarkably well, in part thanks to the Israeli Govt that insists on acting like the &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; exist and even negotiating with them over land that never belonged to &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; any more than it belonged to the Tooth Fairy.</p>
<p>But now, on to the questions. Please, Kelly and Jonah, answer just one of these questions and perhaps we will all learn that there actually was an indigenous people to the land of Israel who were called Palestinians. </p>
<p>1. Where did the Palestinians come from?<br />
2. What were the parameters of their country?<br />
3. What type of Government did they have? Was it a monarchy? A Democratic type of Govt?<br />
4. What are the names of some of their Kings or Presidents?<br />
5. What sort of court system did they have in place for crime and punishment, or to be sure that the widowed and orphaned were cared for?<br />
6. What were some of the names of Palestinian towns and where were they located?<br />
7. What Deities did the Palestinians worship? Were they Monotheistic, were they Polytheistic, were they God/Goddess based, or were they worshippers of the planetary bodies, or none of the above?<br />
8. Where were their places of worship? Did they have Temples, or did they have outside areas where they worshipped and if so, where are these areas located?<br />
9. What were some of the cultural aspects of the ancient Palestinians? How did the men dress? How did the women dress?<br />
10. What was their language?<br />
11. What were some of their practices or ceremonies regarding lifecyle milestones such as coming of age, marriage, births, death and funerals? Did they have different ceremonies for boys than girls and if so what were the differences?<br />
12. Were they a peaceful people or did they go out conquering other lands and peoples? If they did, what lands and what other peoples did they conquer? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just a few questions to start you on your journey of discovery. Please, actually do try to answer these questions, before you ever write something as ignorant as you wrote here. Seriously.  </p>
<p>And by the way, the ancient Philistines were not the ancient Palestinians, this has already been proven through archealogy and even genetically.  Did you know that &#8220;Philistine&#8221; is Plishtim and means &#8220;Foreigner&#8221;? Yes thats right, the Philistines weren&#8217;t from the Land either.</p>
<p>Please, do yourselves a favor and educate yourselves because you are sitting ducks for extermination otherwise. And that&#8217;s not even close to being an exaggeration. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll help you a little bit with a quote from one of Yassir Arafat&#8217;s right hand men. On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here&#8217;s what he said: </p>
<p>&#8220;The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct &#8220;Palestinian people&#8221; to oppose Zionism. </p>
<p>For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.&#8221; </p>
<p>Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel. </p>
<p>On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here&#8217;s what he said: &#8220;Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.&#8221; </p>
<p>Good luck with your education, Kelly and Jonah. You&#8217;re going to need it because I&#8217;m very sure that you do not want to unwittingly lend a hand to the slaughter of your fellow Jews and the destruction of Israel. Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Chorus of Apes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chorus of Apes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 06:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is everyone assuming that Geffen and Cohen have not lived in Israel or do not live there currently?  I can assure you that assumption is false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone assuming that Geffen and Cohen have not lived in Israel or do not live there currently?  I can assure you that assumption is false.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shmuel well put.
@meir ditto.</description>
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@meir ditto.</p>
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		<title>By: Meir Eynaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meir Eynaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us recall that the impetus for the Geffen/Cohen post was the series of pieces authored by Rabbi Daniel Gordis.
In a blog, and later in a longer Commentary essay, he seriously questions the commitment to Zionism and love of Israel by Rabbinical students in the non-Orthodox movements.
In a third piece he questions whether J Street supporters are within the Zionist tent.
Anyone who looks at the list of Israeli J Street advisory board members will immediately realize just how silly his notion is.

It is not only the loyalty of the students that is being questioned. Even the incoming head of the Reform Movement has been smeared for his affiliation with J Street, NIF, and having attended a Sheikh Jerakh demonstration.

It is disgusting and sickening that so many see Mort Klein, and those of his ilk, as the true Zionists while see those with a vision to the Left (note I differentiate between those on the Left and those who self identify as anti-Zionist)as people who do not love Israel every bit as much.

I do have one disagreement with Geffen/Cohen. I am not convinced that the differences are generational (though surveys show that is a factor).  I recall the days when those who supported The New Jewish Agenda and Briera were also shoved outside the tent.  That is, of course, until much of the Jewish world joined them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us recall that the impetus for the Geffen/Cohen post was the series of pieces authored by Rabbi Daniel Gordis.<br />
In a blog, and later in a longer Commentary essay, he seriously questions the commitment to Zionism and love of Israel by Rabbinical students in the non-Orthodox movements.<br />
In a third piece he questions whether J Street supporters are within the Zionist tent.<br />
Anyone who looks at the list of Israeli J Street advisory board members will immediately realize just how silly his notion is.</p>
<p>It is not only the loyalty of the students that is being questioned. Even the incoming head of the Reform Movement has been smeared for his affiliation with J Street, NIF, and having attended a Sheikh Jerakh demonstration.</p>
<p>It is disgusting and sickening that so many see Mort Klein, and those of his ilk, as the true Zionists while see those with a vision to the Left (note I differentiate between those on the Left and those who self identify as anti-Zionist)as people who do not love Israel every bit as much.</p>
<p>I do have one disagreement with Geffen/Cohen. I am not convinced that the differences are generational (though surveys show that is a factor).  I recall the days when those who supported The New Jewish Agenda and Briera were also shoved outside the tent.  That is, of course, until much of the Jewish world joined them.</p>
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		<title>By: shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that for the amazing level of difference in theology accepted in American liberal Judaism, there is not much room for discussion via Israel. The conversation is kept in an ideological box, and if you fall outside it, you will be recited a litany of hasbara talking points about cherry tomatoes and cell phones and how Palestinians don&#039;t love their kids. It&#039;s not just that there isn&#039;t room for anti-Zionism--there isn&#039;t even room for non-statist Zionism! There&#039;s a general consensus that the State of Israel is the tachlis of the Jewish people, and I find that notion incredibly troubling. The vast American support for a Jewish state came about out of concern for security. However, we must ask: Do the policies of the State of Israel make Jews safer? I submit that many times, especially in regards to the occupation of Judea and Samaria, they do not, not for Israelis nor the Diaspora Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that for the amazing level of difference in theology accepted in American liberal Judaism, there is not much room for discussion via Israel. The conversation is kept in an ideological box, and if you fall outside it, you will be recited a litany of hasbara talking points about cherry tomatoes and cell phones and how Palestinians don&#8217;t love their kids. It&#8217;s not just that there isn&#8217;t room for anti-Zionism&#8211;there isn&#8217;t even room for non-statist Zionism! There&#8217;s a general consensus that the State of Israel is the tachlis of the Jewish people, and I find that notion incredibly troubling. The vast American support for a Jewish state came about out of concern for security. However, we must ask: Do the policies of the State of Israel make Jews safer? I submit that many times, especially in regards to the occupation of Judea and Samaria, they do not, not for Israelis nor the Diaspora Jews.</p>
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