Kol Nidrei. Occupy Wall Street. Arthur Waskow. Be there.

Jewschool founder Daniel Sieradski is organizing a Kol Nidrei minyan in at Zuccotti Park, home base of the Occupy Wall Street folks, at 7 p.m. this Friday night.

I don’t believe it’s set in stone yet, but Rabbi Arthur Waskow may be delivering a devar and or leading the service. Sieradski is looking for knowledgeable service leaders. If you can help and you’re interested, get in touch with him on Facebook or twitter.

This will be a service, not to mention a Kol Nidrei, of once-in-a-lifetime coolness. Let me know if you’re coming so I can make sure we say get the chance to wish each other a Gemar Chatimah Tovah.

Check out the Facebook event for details and updates.

Updated, 10/5: Sieradski tell meWaskow is no longer coming for health reasons. Sad times.

43 Responses to “Kol Nidrei. Occupy Wall Street. Arthur Waskow. Be there.”

  1. How much are tickets?


    DK · October 4th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
  2. I’ll be there. I wonder if we can sing the ‘Internationale’ in Hebrew and/or Yiddish as part of the service?


    Jew Guevara · October 4th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
  3. Isn’t it in the service already?

    ובכן תן פחדך ה’ א-להינו על כל מעשיך ואימתך על כל מה שבראת, וייראוך כל המעשים וישתחוו לפניך כל הברואים, וייעשו כולם אגודה אחת לעשות רצונך בלבב שלם


    BZ · October 4th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
  4. Waskow is a disgrace.

    Let him organize a protest of Marc Gafni, the misfit he protected and allowed to exploit women.

    zeek.forward.com/articles/117387/

    Gafni Abuses Again — and We Share Responsibility
    By Dina Levada

    September 21, 2011
    It has happened again.

    Marc Gafni, nee Marc Winiarz, nee Mordechai Gafni, the thrice-divorced rabbi who has been, at times, a hero of Modern Orthodoxy, Jewish Renewal, and the Israeli spiritual renaissance, has again been caught having sexual relations with members of his latest spiritual community. Here are some links to what has happened: Integral Options Café, The Jewish Week.


    a · October 4th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
  5. Olam yashan, adi yesod nachrivah


    Jew Guevara · October 4th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
  6. Shame on ‘a’ for attacking Waskow on this. Not because he doesn’t share in some responsibility; but this was addressed, he has publicly repented for that, and he has not ‘re-offended’ in the sense of coming again to Gafni’s defense. This is just mindless hurling of dirt – and during the ten days of awe yet!

    Now, Waskow isn’t accused of sexual anything, he’s not coming to the event posted above, and the comment feels like a RAPE of this post’s topic.

    That’s right – I went there. I’m accusing ‘a’ of raping a blog post with a comment. No force was used, but the evil intent was there.

    Waskow was in good company when he was hoodwinked by Gafni.


    Jew Guevara · October 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am
  7. Waskow’s not coming. I told Wilensky he was a maybe, not a definite. It was his idea – he suggested it to me. I just executed it. I agree the Gafni thing is fucked, but as JG notes, Arthur DID make person amends. Here on this very blog, in fact, after I pushed him to do so. The man just had cancer surgery on his throat. Have a little rachmones erev chag.


    Mobius · October 5th, 2011 at 11:02 am
  8. personal*


    Mobius · October 5th, 2011 at 11:02 am
  9. Indeed I even said that he was maybe coming. Anyway, I’ve updated the post to reflect that he’s definitely not coming.


    David A.M. Wilensky · October 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
  10. Here’s the quote:
    Two groups in the Renewal movement, Aleph and Elat Chayyim,
    looked into the allegations against Rabbi Gafni and found “no
    evidence of wrongdoing,” according to Rabbi Arthur Waskow.

    Of course, no one spoke to the girl Gafni sexually assaulted when she was 13 or the 16 year old Gafni sexually exploited when she was living with Gafni and an ex-wife. They simply labelled them as liars.

    Waskow and the rest of Jewish Renewal deadened their names and have never done anything close to teshuvah for the pain they caused. Can you point to anything? Of course not.

    And Mobius hopefully Wall Street will give you the same sort of teshuvah your renewal friends gave these brave women … absolutely nothing. A sorry directed to others and then back to their regular business of doing nothing of substance and spitting in the faces of good people who tried to warn about Gafni. That’s more than anyone in renewal will do today.

    Clean up your own house.


    a · October 5th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
  11. It’s incredible that you and your friends “advocate” for social justice and yet your friends hold “investigations” and “beit dins” and without even talking to women who were sexually assaulted and sexually exploited by a collegue of theirs and declare their collegue inncent and these women liars and even rodfim.

    And their apology? Oopss, our collegaue was bad but we still don’t acknowlege we did anything wrong to the earlier brave women. We blame our colleague.

    I guess “social justice” is only words and maybe applies to others who get you in the press or money from organizations.

    If it had real meaning you and your friends would do real teshuvah.

    Take public responsibility.

    Give people back their names publicly.

    Make reparations.

    Take public action so Gafni can never abuse again.

    Of course none of you will. You’re not capable of such growth or responsibility. Deadening good peoples names is just collateral damage to all of you. It is great being such irresponsible little children. That’s all any of you are capable of.


    a · October 5th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
  12. That’s all any of you are capable of.
    who’s this “you” to whom you refer? Renewal rabbis? Jewschool posters? Wall Street occupiers?


    Justin · October 5th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
  13. Renewal rabbis/leadership.

    Jewschool posters who protect same.

    Wall Street occupiers like Mobius who actively defended Gafni on this blog, then deleted those defences, stayed silent for a few years protecting Gafni with same silence and when yet more women came forward suddenly attacked Gafni and then was silent again taking no steps to prevent Gafni from moving to yet another religious group and abusing women again. Wall Street occupiers like Mobius who make demands of their enemies yet prop up misfits like Waskow who talk about “social justice” but have committed grave injustices in the name of Judaism and “justice” against the brave young women who were abused by Gafni, the same young women who came forward and were called liars by Waskow.

    Waskow has never given them back their names and never done anything remotely resembling teshuvah. Waskow’s “social justice” is limited to those who are not former collegues that he has lied for and made false claims of “investigations” (where he and others in renewal made determinations and rulings without even talking to the other side). To even claim Waskow has done teshuvah is obscene and despicable. What has he done?

    jewschool.com/2006/05/14/10581/waskow-leader-on-gafni/

    His statement is a farce. He and others claimed to have investigated allegations and made findings without even speaking to the women who made the allegations. They allowed the same women to be called rodfim and liars. Waskow and these leaders still deny the truth of these women’s abuse at Gafni’s hands.

    Waskow is the king of injustice and those involved in this blog that have never called him and others on same and still promote them are an embarassment to any cause that uses the words “social justice”. Clean up your own house.


    a · October 5th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
  14. a,
    overstated, but word.


    justin · October 5th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
  15. Not overstated at all.

    Gary Rosenblat interviewed the women sexually assaulted/exploited by Gafni at ages 13 and 16 and others familiar with what happened. So did the NY Post. Both reported same.

    Yet Jewish Renewal leaders stated they investigated and exonerated Gafni without even speaking to these women.

    And Waskow in his statement linked above and posted on this blog, falsely characterized by Mobius as “Teshuvah”, still denies these women’s stories never having bothered to even try to speak to them.

    Waskow and this blog are despicable to post such a continued denial of the abuse of these women. And how Mobius can continue to mislead others raises questions as to his integrity.

    Waskow clearly states in his statement:
    “I myself have been accused by a few people on the Internet of having “defended” him. What I did defend was a process for investigating allegations … a process that insisted on serious evidence, not second-hand or third-hand statements like ” I have been told that … I continue to believe that this is the only way to deal with any allegations of wrongdoing, including this kind.”

    A complete lie there was no investigation. No one spoke to these women. Instead renewal lied claimed falsely “investigations” and labelled these women liars without speaking to them. It was a complete injustice. It was a murder of these women. Renewal has never done teshuva. Not one single leader. And Mobius and this blog are the enablers who white-wash renewal’s behavior and continue the lie of teshuva.

    Don’t believe me? Phone Rabbi Blau at Yeshiva University who is directly familiar with this and has spoken to all involved.


    a · October 5th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
  16. From a Deposition Of Mordecai Gafni’s Third Wife:

    1. Information about Sexual Abuse/Molestation of a Minor: Before we got married, Mordechai shared with me that he had indeed had a sexual encounter with a minor. Her name was Judy – a teenager who was in his JYPSY youth movement. He explained to me details of their encounter and how he went about covering it up and discrediting her. He told me that she had seduced him. He said that they did not have intercourse, but that they had at least been undressed, sexually physical and that he had ejaculated. After Judy reported this, he lied to everyone involved, saying that she was emotionally unstable, jealous and had made it all up. He even received a document signed by a Rabbi attesting to his innocence. Judy was under-age, a student of his, and were it not for the statute of limitations, he could go to jail over this.

    2. Mordechai also told me stories about various teachers and staff people connected with Yeshiva University with whom he had struggles. He told me how he blackmailed a teacher (one of his “enemies” at YU) who tried to block him from studying/teaching there after the Judy incident. He had information about this particular man and threatened to share it if the man continued to try to block him. The man stayed quiet.

    _________________________________________________________________

    So why does Waskow and this blog continue to deny the allegations against by the women who came forward about abuse at Gafni’s hands when they were minors? Why the false claims of “investigations”? You didn’t want to speak to these women/ You didn’t want justice or truth. You wanted to protect your collegue.

    It’s a white-wash. And it continues.

    Renewal never did teshuvah for the character assasinations and deadening of these young women’s names.

    Why are you covering for them Mobius? Have you a shred of integrity?

    You claim “Arthur DID make person amends. Here on this very blog, in fact, after I pushed him to do so.”

    Read the statement. It is not teshuvah. Just more lies and more white-wash.


    a · October 5th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
  17. I believe every word you write. The only statement I felt was a little over the top was “Waskow is the king of injustice”


    justin · October 6th, 2011 at 12:35 am
  18. Waskow even after he can’t deny Gafni is a sexual predator still has the nerve to defend “investigations” and “determinations” and defend a process where those Gafni abused weren’t even interviewed. What can be more unjust. He still slurs and deadens the names of Gafni’s survivors who were brave enough to come forward.

    In the Deposition Of Mordecai Gafni’s Third Wife it states:

    1. Information about Sexual Abuse/Molestation of a Minor: Before we got married, Mordechai shared with me that he had indeed had a sexual encounter with a minor. Her name was Judy – a teenager who was in his JYPSY youth movement. He explained to me details of their encounter and how he went about covering it up and discrediting her. He told me that she had seduced him. He said that they did not have intercourse, but that they had at least been undressed, sexually physical and that he had ejaculated. After Judy reported this, he lied to everyone involved, saying that she was emotionally unstable, jealous and had made it all up. He even received a document signed by a Rabbi attesting to his innocence. Judy was under-age, a student of his, and were it not for the statute of limitations, he could go to jail over this.

    2. Mordechai also told me stories about various teachers and staff people connected with Yeshiva University with whom he had struggles. He told me how he blackmailed a teacher (one of his “enemies” at YU) who tried to block him from studying/teaching there after the Judy incident. He had information about this particular man and threatened to share it if the man continued to try to block him. The man stayed quiet.

    And yet Waskow continues to claim that he defends “a process for investigating allegations”. What process? What investigations?One where Gafni’s survivors were never interviewed but declared liars and Gafni declared innocent by Gafni’s closest friends and enablers? Renewal has never fixed this. Never done any teshuva to Judy among others. It has learned nothing from its mistakes because it refuses to acknowledge them.

    If anything, “Waskow is the king of injustice” is an understatement. He is more unjust and dishonest than any one who he has attacked. He is a murderer. He has murdered people’s naames on behalf of Gafni, he continues to defend the most unjust kangaroo investigations and does nothing to give people their names back. And the same is true of the entire renewal leadership and Mobius and this blog that whitewash the sins, unjustice and name murdering of the renewal movement. They’re all too busy partying on wall street rather than doing real teshuvah.


    a · October 6th, 2011 at 2:47 am
  19. It appears my comments are no longer being posted or at least are being evaluated for a lengthy period before posting.

    I expect no less from the white-washers.


    a · October 6th, 2011 at 2:49 am
  20. just so everyone is clear, once again. there is no cabal of jewschool editors censoring or “white-washing” comments. comments which are flagged for approval are done so automatically and need to be approved on an ad-hoc basis which amounts to whenever an editor logs on to the site and approves the comments. there is no conspiracy here–just the lag of a volunteer run site.


    Justin · October 6th, 2011 at 7:42 am
  21. it should probably also be made clear that while Mobius founded this blog and dedicated endless hours to making it the incredible online community which it is, that torch was passed to a panel of volunteers a number of years ago and Mobius no longer has any editorial or administrative capacity at Jewschool. the contributors to the site represent their own viewpoints as each contributor is an independent entity with little to no editorial oversight.


    Justin · October 6th, 2011 at 7:51 am
  22. And yet for some reason my comments were being posted immediately for some time and then for a while were not being posted for many many hours.

    I also note that we’ve yet to see any post that takes renewal to task for its behavior. And I certainly don’t mean the whitewash and damage control Mobius put out for them which Mobius now falsely claims reflects their “teshuvah”. I’ve now lonked that Waskow statement that I assume Mobous did not as if people could read it they would see that it was not how Mobius characterized it. It actually is the opposite, it is Waskow’s despicable continued defence of injustice. Since when does teshuvah mean you don’t take responsibility, you continue to suport investigations and improper determinations regarding allegations by Gafni’s best friends who simply exonerated Gafni without any interview of those making the allegations. Waskow continues to protect Renewal’s kangaroo courts/investigations and Mobius allows him to do so by misleading and mischaracterizing.

    Give these brave women back their names and take renewal to task. Make them do real public teshuvah. If you cannot do so and instead continue promoting renewal and its leaders you should abandon your pretense of being interested in social justice or tikun olom.


    a · October 6th, 2011 at 9:07 am
  23. And yet for some reason my comments were being posted immediately for some time and then for a while were not being posted for many many hours.

    again, comments flagged for approval are done so by an automatic filter — we do not control that, it is simply up to us to click an ‘approve’ button, which I did as soon as you made it known that you had comments awaiting approval. there is no conspiracy to silence you or any other commenter on jewschool


    Justin · October 6th, 2011 at 9:41 am
  24. I take it from Jew Guevara’s rape comment that he/she:
    1) has never been raped
    2) does not have the integrity to retract and apologize (remember Johnny Depp’s apology for similar despicable comments?)

    Further, the fact that not one person on this blog has objected to same says something about the Jewschool contributors and its followers. And its not something positive.


    a · October 6th, 2011 at 9:47 am
  25. a-

    For what it’s worth, I agree with you about Waskow and the Jewish community’s response to Gafni. Even liberal Judaism has a long way to go in reducing sexism among its ranks.

    I’ve also blogged using similar moderating software (I’m guessing) and Justin’s telling the truth. There are various algorithms that the program uses to decide when to toss things to moderation before posting them. It can be pretty random, but tripped by long comments, comments with lots of links, and when commenters post a bunch of comments in a row.

    Also, JG, that was totally offensive to anyone who’s ever been sexually assaulted, myself included.


    Shoshie · October 6th, 2011 at 9:56 am
  26. I’ve also blogged using similar moderating software (I’m guessing) and Justin’s telling the truth. There are various algorithms that the program uses to decide when to toss things to moderation before posting them. It can be pretty random, but tripped by long comments, comments with lots of links, and when commenters post a bunch of comments in a row.

    Also, a, think about which words in your comment might have triggered it as possible spam.


    BZ · October 6th, 2011 at 10:04 am
  27. [...] As I said yesterday, there will be Kol Nidrei at Zuccotti Park among the Occupy Wall Street folks tomorrow night. By way of an update on the logistics, here is a message that went out to everyone who has RSVPed to the Facebook event (all links and strikethroughs inserted by me): [...]


    New details on Kol Nidrei at Occupy Wall Street | Jewschool · October 6th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
  28. @Shoshie, yes it was offensive. Of course it was. And so is the public humiliation and spilling of Waskow’s blood. I’ve never been raped, but I’ve been unfairly humiliated in public. If ‘a’ wants to cast anonymous stones at public figures in this manner, then kal v’chomer she should be able to take it herself. Just be clear, I’m not even ranting to defend Waskow; I’m ranting to protest the hijacking of this thread. My apologies to all the victims of hijacking out there aside…. (I know, totally unfair that the metaphor of ‘hijacking’ is somehow more PC than the metaphor of rape. Tell that to Klinghoffer’s family!)

    This argument over Gafni/Waskow is terribly stupid and beside the point (a KN service for OWS.) Addressing the important cause of clergy sexual abuse and/or rape in this manner is indeed insulting. Shame on ‘a’ for going there.


    Jew Guevara · October 6th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
  29. If ‘a’ wants to cast anonymous stones at public figures in this manner, then kal v’chomer she should be able to take it herself.

    Interesting that JG assumes that ‘a’ is a female, btw.


    Jonathan1 · October 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
  30. Waskow is the one that spilled blood by declaring the survivors of Gafni’s abuse (at ages 13 and 16) liars and declaring that same allegations against Gafni had been investigated and that Gafni was innocent. Even in the more recent statement by Waskow he still defends the “investigation” and the conclusions. The opposite of teshuvah claimed by Mobius and JG.

    The problem of course was that there was no investigations the survivors of abuse weren’t even spoken with.

    Waskow nor renewal have ever given these women there back there names. It should be an embarassment to link Waskow or the name of any Jewish renewal leader to any social justice cause. But some here like JG clearly lack any shame and appear to want to whitewash for Waskow and Renewal by making clearly false claims of teshuvah.

    JG: “he has publicly repented” – clear lie
    Mobius: “Arthur DID make person amends. Here on this very blog, in fact” – clear lie

    Waskow continues in his statement to clear defend renewal’s kangaroo investigation and conclusions despite the fact that there was no investigation. Renewal continues this lie. It protected Gafni and no real investigation occured. Gafni’s friends simply declared their colleague innocent and publicly humiliated these women and declared them liars despite never actually taking to them.

    JG clearly does not get it. He/she clearly in using the word rape clearly does not get it and it is interesting that he/she has labelled me as “she”. My gender being immaterial of course to any discussion. It is clear that JG has never stepped foot in a rape crisis center nor gone through such trauma. I could have used the same word in the context of the destruction Waskow and renewal did (and continue to do) to the names of the aforementioned women but I did not. Let them do real teshuvah and give these women back their names publicly and acknowledge there was no investigation, no attempt to contact these women who made themselves available (you can confirm same with Rav Blau) and that any conclusion exonerating Gafni was improper. Publicly acknowledge that these women’s allegations are credible. Waskow and renewal have to date squandered the opportunity to do tikkun olam. And JG, Mobius and others continue the whitewash and clear lies to protect a corrupt organization and leadership.

    And Klinghoffer was murdered not “hijacked”. The ship he was on was hijacked.


    a · October 6th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
  31. Oh and “Palestinian guerrilla leader Mohammad Abbas said in Gaza Monday that the seizing of the cruise ship in 1985 was a mistake, and apologized for the killing of disabled U.S. passenger Klinghoffer.”

    So even the scum murders of Klinghoffer could take 2 minutes for a hollow apology.

    That’s 2 minuted more than Waskow and renewal have ever taken in terms of the 2 brave young women. There has never been an apology, an attempt to clear these women’s names (from the renewal declarations against them) or anything resembling teshuva. Notwithstanding JG and Mobius’ dishonest lies to the contrary.


    a · October 6th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
  32. a = jewish whistleblower

    and a = a liar

    i never defended gafni, and i never deleted any posts defending gafni.

    i was the one who outed him for his sexual abuse at bayit chadash when it came to light and i am also the one who stayed on top of the story once he joined the integral community.

    so you can seriously go to hell.


    mobius · October 8th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
  33. oh now i remember why jwb is still gunning for me after all these years: i said in a blog post that a person has a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty – even a rapist – and that allegations of wrongdoing alone are not grounds to excise someone from a community. for this, i’m accused of shielding gafni.

    i would dig up the email i wrote to gafni after he wrote me insisting that i had him all wrong after i outed him as an abuser, where i read him the riot act for his predatory nature, but it will not satisfy jwb, as nothing ever has.

    to vicki polin, aka jewish whistleblower, aka whoeverthefuck coward who casts aspersions anonymously for fear of being sued for libel, every jewish man is a predator. and there is no possibility of innocence or teshuvah.


    mobius · October 8th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
  34. Typical Mobius, mistate what I said and attack the messenger and claim that I am all your enemies combined.

    By the way a quick google indicates that you acknowledge you promoted Gafni in a 2004 post on Jewschool and defended Gafni against others in the comments.

    see:
    jewschool.com/2006/05/11/10573/gafni-strikes-again/

    The problem is that the post and the comments no longer exist. They were deleted … by Mobius.

    Just another Mobius lie and whitewassh.

    The interesting thing is you claim “that a person has a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty”.

    Yet Waskow and renewal declared the brave women who came forward against Gafni liars without speaking to them and even in Waskow’s statement linked above, he defends that process.

    So an abuser is presumed innocent and his victims/survivors are presumed guilty, particularly if the abuser is a renewal colleague.

    Mobius and renewal over the years have claimed numerous people have labelled others as guilty when untrue. The problem is that it is only renewal and Mobius who have been demonstated to do that. Read Waskow’s statement he clearly does not apologize to these women for labelling them liars and does not clear their names. As Mobius posted same, he is part of thew same continuing libel.

    You can ask Rav Blau. At the time there was an abudence of information to make the determination against Gafni. Renewal leaders chose to deaden brave women’s names and protect a colleague. There has never been any teshuvah to these women to date from renewal leaders.

    Mobius you are a liar.


    a · October 8th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
  35. What reason is it that your renewal friends can’t give the brave women that came forward several years before you and renewal finally had no choice but to publicly condemn Gafni their names back?

    Why can’t renewal leaders acknowledge they had a process in which they condemned and deadened these women’s names without even speaking to them? Why not acknowledge same and give these women their names back. Instead you publish a statement from Waskow defending this kangaroo process, this injustice. So the lie that these women and their experiences are not credible continues.

    All of this of course can be confirmed with Rav Blau of YU and the women.

    Somehow even after Gary Rosenblatt published his expose of Gafni renewal still allowed Gafni to continue and you continued your silence protecting him. Oh, but you did tell people to quietly stay away from him. Why nothing louder?

    Why do you rewrite history?

    “who casts aspersions anonymously for fear of being sued for libel, every jewish man is a predator. and there is no possibility of innocence or teshuvah.”

    1) What have I said that is false/libel? That’s a lie.
    2) Clearly I have not said “every jewish man is a predator”. That’s a further lie.
    3) I never said “there is no possibility of innocence or teshuvah”. A further lie. Gafni never did teshuvah. Waskow never did teshuvah to the women whose names he continues to deaden. Mobius by whitewashing and publishing Waskow’s statement (and claimimg it constitutes teshuvah) you owe these brave women an apology. They spoke out loudly while you either were quiet or spoke softly. How do you claim teshuvah was made by Waskow/renewal to these women when the statement (linked above) reflects the opposite. You’ve never contacted these women or even discussed the matter with Rav Blau who has been in contact with the various parties. How do you have the nerve to falsely claim teshuvah on their behalf?


    a · October 8th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
  36. Mobius lie:
    “i never defended gafni, and i never deleted any posts defending gafni.”

    The truth:

    jewschool.com/2004/03/10/7538/yid-yang/#comments

    Read the first comment from Mobius aka mo1, it clearly refers to comments that are missing (deleted). Note that Mobius defends Gafni and frankly the very activities he was removed from renewal over:

    “sexual exploitation as a result of clergy counselling activities” — that’s not womanizing.

    Moreover, “me” suggests that Mobius contact Rav Blau and provides an email address. Something Mobius never bothered to do so. Oh and Mobius can claim all he want he wasn’t familiar with Blau (as he did in the past) but that’s a lie. The Hillers were Mobius’ neighbors, Yonah Hiller was his family’s lawn boy. Mobius was very familiar with the Lanner case involving the Hillers and knew who Blau was.

    Any more lies Mobius?


    a · October 9th, 2011 at 12:25 am
  37. listen, if you want to have a conversation with me about these issues, please call me at 347-560-0440 and i would be happy to address you grievances, no matter how ill conceived they are, like suggesting that i am responsible for baruch lanner, despite having only been 6 years old at the time and having no recollection of the man. also, i met yossi blau for the first time in israel in 2005 at a conference of presidents dinner and had had only one prior interaction with him over email. again, you are demonizing me for presuming a person’s innocence and stating that without testimony and corroboration that a person should not publicly impugned. i stand by that principle. i will also say that post was written 7 years ago, when i was 25 and still figuring out my way in the world. finally, i am not a member of the renewal movement. i am only tangentially a friend of arthur’s, who doesn’t even remember my name half the times i speak with him. to suggest that i am a shill for the renewal movement also completely misses the mark and mischaracterizes me. which is just your tendency. you make grandiose assumptions without any real evidence, you extrapolate insane conjectures, and then i am guilty until i prove myself innocent. that is my beef with you. everyone you accuse has to prove themselves innocent, instead of you having to prove them as being legitimately guilty. instead, it’s all innuendo and unsubstantiated claims, that were you not hiding behind the veil of anonymity you would be prosecuted for.


    mobius · October 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am
  38. also, no: i don’t know the hillers. i have no idea who they are. but i’m sure my sister l’via does. i left teaneck when i was 9 years old and i barely remember anything except the smell of my dad’s bakery, the smell of mildew in the basement, and getting the crap kicked out of me as a kid. but please DO GO ON.


    mobius · October 10th, 2011 at 9:01 am
  39. btw everyone, this is who we’re dealing with here:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1pj8yLQLS4


    Mobius · October 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am
  40. Where do I start? Mobius, you made the false claim that Waskow (and renewal) did teshuvah to the original survivors of Gafni that came forward years ago with allegations of sexual assault against gafni (the survivors were 13 and 16 at the time). You Mobius refer to a statement of Waskow that you sought from Waskow and published on this blog. I linked that statement and demonstrated that you were mischaracterizing same. That the statement in fact defends the kangaroo process in which Waskow and renewal declared their colleague Gafni innocent of the above allegations and accordingly called the brave women liars. Neither Waskow nor renewal has ever acknowledged that the investigation was improper and certainly has never apologized to these women for dismissing their credible claims out of hand without even speaking to them (just ask Rav Blau) even though Gary Rosenblatt found the allegations credible and reported them long before the disclosures of newer survivors at jewish renewal.

    So where is your claimed teshuvah? How do you make such a false claim publicly without speaking to these women or even to the people who have such as Rav Blau?

    I never accused you as you claim of being “responsible for baruch lanner”. I said your family was familiar with the Lanner case and your family’s late lawn boy was stabbed by Lanner as reported in an article on Lanner by Gary Rosenblatt around 1999 (when you were much older than 9). Your family is very familiar with Rav Blau and was so in 2004 when it was suggested (with contact information) that you speak to him before continuing to defend Gafni publicly. There was no reason you could not have contacted Rav Blau in 2004 when it was suggested to you. You were even given his email address. Instead you publicly defended Gafnki on this blog.

    I’ve no interest in speaking to you as what would it accomplish? We are communicating here and all you resport to is making false claims as to who I am. I saw how your renewal buddies stated in their Gafni exoneration letter that they could be contacted as well. Those who tried at the time were unable to get responses. If you want the truth contact Rav Blau. He is not an anonymous person. Rav Blau also knows the truth about the edited video you link which was put out by supporters of various sexual predators including Gafni as part of a smear campaign to protect Gafni and others.


    a · October 10th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
  41. “were you not hiding behind the veil of anonymity you would be prosecuted for.”

    Is the accurate exercise of free speech now a crime?

    Could you provide me with the specific criminal provisions that I have violated?

    Of course you can’t because none exist.


    a · October 10th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
  42. I am seriously annoyed by flamers like ‘a’ who hijack comment threads that have little or nothing to do with the original post. You made your point, now give others a chance to get back to the original one.

    Get your own blog, they are free, and if you don’t know how to attract readers or how comment moderation works, don’t make it the problem of the readers of this one. Thanks.


    adam · October 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
  43. [...] As I said yesterday, there will be Kol Nidrei at Zuccotti Park among the Occupy Wall Street folks tomorrow night. by way of an update on the logistics, here is a message that went out to everyone who has RSVPed to the Facebook event (all links and strikethroughs inserted by me): [...]


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