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	<title>Comments on: יהי זכרנם לברכה yehi zikhronam li&#8217;vrakhah May their Memories be a Blessing</title>
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		<title>By: Jew Guevara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jew Guevara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they want an acknowledgement from the IOC that their horrible murder was not for naught.&quot;

It was for naught folks. That&#039;s what crazy ass murder is &#039;for.&#039; Nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they want an acknowledgement from the IOC that their horrible murder was not for naught.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was for naught folks. That&#8217;s what crazy ass murder is &#8216;for.&#8217; Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Enough Jonathon, you’re just being provocative. &lt;/i&gt;

Ironically, I&#039;m giving my opinion. 

&lt;i&gt;Yes, in a strange way, unless the IOC acknowledges and memorializes their death, it was indeed for naught. &lt;/i&gt;


Actually, I disagree with you.  In my provocative opinion, those deaths were for naught even if the IOC acknowledges and memorializes those death. 

&lt;i&gt;No, a moment of silence does not bring them back and it does not make anything better. &lt;/i&gt;

I guess we agree after all then.

&lt;i&gt;Yes, you’re right, they died at the hands of terrorists seeking to raise the banner of their cause. &lt;/i&gt;

Ironically, this is what I wrote above: 

&quot;Unless we view it from the perspective of Palestinian nationalism, in which case their murder arguably furthered the goals of putting the PLO on the map.)&quot;


&lt;i&gt;Sof davar. &lt;/i&gt;

Actually, just because Adam Davis writes that something is &quot;Sof davar&quot; does not mean that an argument is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Enough Jonathon, you’re just being provocative. </i></p>
<p>Ironically, I&#8217;m giving my opinion. </p>
<p><i>Yes, in a strange way, unless the IOC acknowledges and memorializes their death, it was indeed for naught. </i></p>
<p>Actually, I disagree with you.  In my provocative opinion, those deaths were for naught even if the IOC acknowledges and memorializes those death. </p>
<p><i>No, a moment of silence does not bring them back and it does not make anything better. </i></p>
<p>I guess we agree after all then.</p>
<p><i>Yes, you’re right, they died at the hands of terrorists seeking to raise the banner of their cause. </i></p>
<p>Ironically, this is what I wrote above: </p>
<p>&#8220;Unless we view it from the perspective of Palestinian nationalism, in which case their murder arguably furthered the goals of putting the PLO on the map.)&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Sof davar. </i></p>
<p>Actually, just because Adam Davis writes that something is &#8220;Sof davar&#8221; does not mean that an argument is over.</p>
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		<title>By: renaissanceboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>renaissanceboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, there was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/news/sports/munich-memorial-ioc-holds-surprise-ceremony-to-commemorate-1972-massacre-1.453180&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;memorial&lt;/a&gt; in the Olympic village.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, there was a <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/sports/munich-memorial-ioc-holds-surprise-ceremony-to-commemorate-1972-massacre-1.453180" rel="nofollow">memorial</a> in the Olympic village.</p>
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		<title>By: adam davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough Jonathon, you&#039;re just being provocative. Yes, in a strange way, unless the IOC acknowledges and memorializes their death, it was indeed for naught.  No, a moment of silence does not bring them back and it does not make anything better. Yes, you&#039;re right, they died at the hands of terrorists seeking to raise the banner of their cause. But the means do not justify the ends, the Olympics are intended to diminish bloodshed not become through means for it, and when that happens it should be acknowledged and to refuse to do so says a great deal about the organizers. Sof davar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough Jonathon, you&#8217;re just being provocative. Yes, in a strange way, unless the IOC acknowledges and memorializes their death, it was indeed for naught.  No, a moment of silence does not bring them back and it does not make anything better. Yes, you&#8217;re right, they died at the hands of terrorists seeking to raise the banner of their cause. But the means do not justify the ends, the Olympics are intended to diminish bloodshed not become through means for it, and when that happens it should be acknowledged and to refuse to do so says a great deal about the organizers. Sof davar.</p>
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		<title>By: BZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>הזכה שבתפילות אותנו לא תחזיר
מי אשר כבה נרו ובעפר נטמן
בכי מר לא יעירו, לא יחזירו לכאן

(And that includes moments of silence.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>הזכה שבתפילות אותנו לא תחזיר<br />
מי אשר כבה נרו ובעפר נטמן<br />
בכי מר לא יעירו, לא יחזירו לכאן</p>
<p>(And that includes moments of silence.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;they want an acknowledgement from the IOC that their horrible murder was not for naught &lt;/i&gt;

Ironically, their murder was indeed for naught

(Unless we view it from the perspective of Palestinian nationalism, in which case their murder arguably furthered the goals of putting the PLO on the map.)

What exactly do you think they died for? A moment of silence in the London Olympics 40 years after their death, when none of the athletes at London were even alive in 1972?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>they want an acknowledgement from the IOC that their horrible murder was not for naught </i></p>
<p>Ironically, their murder was indeed for naught</p>
<p>(Unless we view it from the perspective of Palestinian nationalism, in which case their murder arguably furthered the goals of putting the PLO on the map.)</p>
<p>What exactly do you think they died for? A moment of silence in the London Olympics 40 years after their death, when none of the athletes at London were even alive in 1972?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan

The widows have accepted the death of their husbands with more dignity and grace than the IOC has accepted the need to honor those same men for their commitment to the Olympic spirit.  The widows surely would have wished their husbands to be alive today cheering on their fellow athletes. Since that is not possible, they want an acknowledgement from the IOC that their horrible murder was not for naught, that their memories can serve as a testament to the spirit of the games.  

In refusing to memorialize them publicly, the IOC demeans and cheapens their death. You do the same thing when you cite  ludicrous and irrelevant arguments about soldiers in the War of 1812 in comparison to this event.

They were people, athletes and the circumstances of their murder made them symbols. Their memory should stand as a lesson to the world for the dignity of the spirit of humanity, silent and public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan</p>
<p>The widows have accepted the death of their husbands with more dignity and grace than the IOC has accepted the need to honor those same men for their commitment to the Olympic spirit.  The widows surely would have wished their husbands to be alive today cheering on their fellow athletes. Since that is not possible, they want an acknowledgement from the IOC that their horrible murder was not for naught, that their memories can serve as a testament to the spirit of the games.  </p>
<p>In refusing to memorialize them publicly, the IOC demeans and cheapens their death. You do the same thing when you cite  ludicrous and irrelevant arguments about soldiers in the War of 1812 in comparison to this event.</p>
<p>They were people, athletes and the circumstances of their murder made them symbols. Their memory should stand as a lesson to the world for the dignity of the spirit of humanity, silent and public.</p>
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		<title>By: BZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan1 writes:
&lt;i&gt;What is so unique that it was 40 years ago?&lt;/i&gt;

At the 20th and 30th anniversaries, there was no Facebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan1 writes:<br />
<i>What is so unique that it was 40 years ago?</i></p>
<p>At the 20th and 30th anniversaries, there was no Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.  We just disagree.


&lt;i&gt;the IOC has refused to honor their memory publicly. Their widows would like for them to do so before they die. &lt;/i&gt;

What their widows really would like is for their husbands not to have died in 1972. 

That&#039;s the justice they seek, but that kind of justice doesn&#039;t exist in this world . . . . maybe in the next world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  We just disagree.</p>
<p><i>the IOC has refused to honor their memory publicly. Their widows would like for them to do so before they die. </i></p>
<p>What their widows really would like is for their husbands not to have died in 1972. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the justice they seek, but that kind of justice doesn&#8217;t exist in this world . . . . maybe in the next world.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan

The wars fought are not part of the Olympics. The soldiers fighting those wars were not participating in the Olympics nor the embodiment of its ideals. The Israeli athletes were, not because they were Israeli, but because they were Olympic Athletes.  They were murdered in the course of competing in the Olympics and for 40 years the IOC has refused to honor their memory publicly.  Their widows would like for them to do so before they die.  Yes, there should be a permanent moment of silence for ALL members of the Olympic family who have died in pursuit of its ideals, especially those who were killed during the games for reasons that run counter to those ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan</p>
<p>The wars fought are not part of the Olympics. The soldiers fighting those wars were not participating in the Olympics nor the embodiment of its ideals. The Israeli athletes were, not because they were Israeli, but because they were Olympic Athletes.  They were murdered in the course of competing in the Olympics and for 40 years the IOC has refused to honor their memory publicly.  Their widows would like for them to do so before they die.  Yes, there should be a permanent moment of silence for ALL members of the Olympic family who have died in pursuit of its ideals, especially those who were killed during the games for reasons that run counter to those ideals.</p>
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