SF Gate On “Detained” Activist
Story here. Here’s the culprit. Her pop’s might look like a black hat, but he seems to have no payes…
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I had hoped that she’d be deported already. I’m sick and tired of knowing that my tax shekels are paying for her three meals a day in ‘detention’. I wonder what other things I’m paying for her. Quite arrogant for her and her friends to think that they have ‘rights’ to break a foreign country’s laws.
“Israel claims to be a refuge for Jews, but if you’re a Jew like Jamie who has a specific objection to what the state of Israel is doing, you don’t even get in,‘
he hit the nail on the head there
Israel has turned into the state of some right-wing Jewish people who like a Rabbi named Rabbi Kook(!)
The real state of the Jewish people is New York State!
send her home. put her in cuffs and put two sky marshalls on the plane with her and then send the bill to her parents.
It’s very simple Babylonian, while using so-called peaceful methods, the ISM still encourages people to break Israeli law. Given the same circumstances, any sovereign nation would do the same, be it right wing, or left wing or whatever. I don’t even know why I bother – you seem to be getting more and more retarded every day …
The real state of the Jewish people is New York State!
Cute. Will New York give a Jewish person anywhere asylum? More importantly, what historic claims do the Jews have to this so called state of New York? Isn’t it true that they are in fact occupying land that rightly belongs to indigenous peoples, who were subject to countless human rights violations? That the land was stolen from them, and taken by the Jews and their collaborators?
Did she ask to move to Israel under the right of return. If not, how is she different from any other American visiting Israel. If the Israeli government had only targeted Arabs for detention at Ben Gurion, you’d call them racist. But when they turn away a white Jewish girl, their somehow violating the basic premise of their existence?
The real state of the Jewish people is New York State!
Cute. Will New York give a Jewish person anywhere asylum? More importantly, what historic claims do the Jews have to this so called state of New York? Isn’t it true that they are in fact occupying land that rightly belongs to indigenous peoples, who were subject to countless human rights violations? That the land was stolen from them, and taken by the Jews and their collaborators?
Did she ask to move to Israel under the right of return. If not, how is she different from any other American visiting Israel. If the Israeli government had only targeted Arabs for detention at Ben Gurion, you’d call them racist. But when they turn away a white Jewish girl, their somehow violating the basic premise of their existence?
ck_dave wrote: It’s very simple Babylonian, while using so-called peaceful methods, the ISM still encourages people to break Israeli law.
Officially? What Israeli law(s) does ISM officially endorse the breaking of ?
“Given the same circumstances, any sovereign nation would do the same, be it right wing, or left wing or whatever.”
Wow, Really ? So, when was the last time you read about Israel turning away Kahanists at the airport ?
Babylonian, any action that disturbs the activities of any member of the IDF in the pursuit of his or her tasks is illegal, regardless of how “peaceful” said action is. You may not like it but the precedents are there – both Canada and the US have refused entry to non-citizens who declare at the border their intention to engage in protests (ie anti WTO activities) or who it was “reasonably” suspected were going to do that.
The ISM knows that their activists are subject to these sorts of restrictions. Yet many ISMers still manage to get through by simply not mentioning their connection to the ISM. Those that don’t hide their affiliation do so in order to get detained – makes for great headlines!
Now the course of action taken by the Israeli government with reference to the ISM is one that the government has taken at its own discretion. They have determined that such action against ISM is justified. If they choose not to take similiar action against other groups, that’s their perogative as a sovereign nation. Non-citizens, even Jews, do not have the automatic right to enter Israel. They may not have turned Kahanists away at the airport but they did ban Kach.
So, does that clarify things for you a bit?
Oh. One other thing. The ISM officially instructs their members to lie to airport security personel (requires PDF plugin):
– Do NOT come in large groups
– Do NOT indicate that you are coming to join the ISM
– Do NOT indicate that you are planning to be in the West Bank and Gaza.
– Do NOT carry anything on you that could label you a “Palestinian sympathizer, in case you are singled out for search.
– DO have a good story prepared about why you are coming to ISRAEL
– DO have contact information and material to support your story
dum dee dum.
Babylonian,
you crack me up especially after the news about Dennis Ross’ ‘think-tank’ report recommeding that world Jews set up a global commitee to run Israel was released. Straight out of some CFR promotional pamphlet.
State of New York is the state of the Jews? Do you go to those conspiracy/messianic sites? The future says that there will be a gog-magog war in Israel and 90% of the citizens will perish. Sharon is trying to implement illogical policies that seem to lead to this outcome, so maybe you know something we don’t know?
“An old friend of mine, a hero of the Yom Kippur War and a veteran of Israel’s peace ranks, told me the other day that his movement was in utter disarray. “It is cognitively dissonant,” he said, “to support Sharon, which we must do. After all, our experience with him is bitter. But he will get out of Gaza and he wants to withdraw from much of the West Bank. This is the lesson he has learned.” What’s more, my friend confided, “There is another lesson that we in the peace camp must learn. It comes from our experience of the last years with the Palestinians, that they take concessions for weakness. Every concession encourages more demands. Since there are limits to the concessions we can make, and these are less than the perilous ones we made in 2000 at Camp David and Taba, we have to give only what we can, and not what the Palestinians expect.” And then, my friend added, “It may just be that negotiating with the Palestinians is a charade. But they do understand power. That is why the intifada is coming to an end. They know that they have been defeated. Israel never drew up the map with which it can live. That is what we are doing now. But it is also a map that allows for a contiguous Palestine. It is a mark of our victory, and you will see how many Arabs will struggle to be on the Israeli side of the border rather than on the Palestinian side.” Some folly, this Zionist enterprise.”
Martin Peretz
The New Republic
July 19, 2004
ck,
then why do the Palestinians rejoice about ‘the day after’?
Why are they drooling about the new ‘World Bank’ initiatives and ‘investment opportunities’ which will continue to feed money to the ‘leaders’?
Why do they openly admit that violence worked?
Why do they openly talk about the Lebanon precedent?
Why will the outcome be any different than the Oslo years?
Why do Jews admit, justify and accept that Judenrhein is a solution?
Josh. I just presented that quote without commentary. I just thought it was interesting, but I am not vouching for its accuracy. All I can say is that the fence seems to be having a detrimental effect on the ability of suicide bombers to get to juicy civilian targets. The Palestinians I spoke to on a recent trip to the region seemed genuinely tired of the toll their “struggle” has taken on their ability to simply make a living. But what the hell do I know. I just threw that quote up cuz it seemed worthy of discussion and stuff.
So what about people who exercise their right to return under the Law of Return, just to oppose the occupation? That’s going to be the next thing. They’re going to refuse to allow some Jewish leftist to enter the country. It will be justified by all the Kahanists in the Likud and on this list.
So what about people who exercise their right to return under the Law of Return, just to oppose the occupation?
Doesn’t seem like such a bad thing, in a way. When you choose to do that, it’s a much longer-term commitment than buying a plane ticket, flouncing around for a few weeks, and grasping the afterglow of having fought the forces of Good.
In fact, it’s a commitment that requires learning Hebrew, serving in the army, and getting exposed to what are actually diverse points of view and real live human beings. It’d at least force a note of realism and nuance, which is better any day than hatemongering on the other side of the world.
(I meant: having fought for the forces of Good. Sheesh.)
No one has commented on the nice Palestinian embroidered dress the young lady is wearing. It’s probably an overpriced tourist one, but some of these embroideries are really exquisite. In the good old days when Israeli Jews were still safe and welcome in Palestinian areas, these embroideries were popular in Israeli homes, were they held places of honor as wall hangings and decorative table pieces. I haven’t seen them for ages, besides on photos like these. I doubt any Palestinian women under seventy ever wear dresses like this any more.