Looking into the Abyss
From an op-ed by David Brooks about the aftermath of the massacre in Beslan, published in today’s NY Times:
We’ve been forced to endure the massacre of children. Whether it’s teenagers outside an Israeli disco or students in Beslan, Russia, we’ve seen kids singled out as special targets.
We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, “You love life, but we love death.” This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder.
This cult attaches itself to a political cause but parasitically strangles it. The death cult has strangled the dream of a Palestinian state. The suicide bombers have not brought peace to Palestine; they’ve brought reprisals. The car bombers are not pushing the U.S. out of Iraq; they’re forcing us to stay longer. The death cult is now strangling the Chechen cause, and will bring not independence but blood.
But that’s the idea. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It’s about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.
This is a disturbing piece, and it rings very true. While Brooks points to a very clear flaw in governmental and media response to heinous terrorist crimes, I was disappointed that he did not propose a better way to address the “cult of death” itself. Obviously, this cult has had a major impact on Israelis and Palestinians, but the problem applies to all of us no matter where we might be. The question isn’t simply “how can we protect ourselves against terrorism?” but really “how can we eradicate the brutal mindset that allows people to seize masses of children and then murder them?” I don’t have all the answers, although I sense that education reform in certain Muslim areas is a major element of the equation. How is it that Germans 60 years ago could destroy children’s lives so easily while most younger Germans have completely rejected that behavior? Maybe that could give us some insight.
It’s really pathetic how American media covers the Chechen terrorist acts at that school without putting the conflict in proper perspective. The Russian military has murdered thousands of innocent Chechens over the years. They torture, kidnap and murder Chechen civilians all the time. They also bomb and burn down villages. Why isn’t his being covered?
Russian gov’t took rebels’ families hostage during crisis
“It was 6 a.m. when Russian soldiers hoisted themselves over the wall, crashed through the window, and broke down the front door. Their quarries were still asleep
Shouting, shoving, and kicking, the soldiers pushed 67-year-old Khavazh Semiyev and his wife into a truck waiting outside, then went back for the others — his two sons and two nephews, his son’s wife, his 52-year-old sister. Then — and Semiyev couldn’t believe his eyes — they went back for his grandchildren: Mansur, 11; Malkhazni, 9; and Mamed, 7.
The family was driven in their nightclothes and socks through the empty streets of Chechnya to the Russian army’s command center at Khankala. There, the men were forced to their knees, their heads to the ground. Sacks were pulled over their heads, and their hands were tied behind their backs. For the next 24 hours, anyone who moved from that position got kicked.”
“How is it that Germans 60 years ago could destroy children’s lives so easily while most younger Germans have completely rejected that behavior? Maybe that could give us some insight.”
That is a remarkable example of rapid cultural change. What brought it about? Possibly one of the following:
a) The Allies decided to really, truly listen to the Germans regarding their needs and desires, and decided to fight a more sensitive war against Naziism. This included negotiation and compromise. Eventually, the Germans came to appreciate the kind-heartedness of the Allied approach and so voluntarily dismantled the death camps and ended their assault on their neighbors.
b) The Allies fought an uncompromising, all-out war to the bitter end. Eventually, Dresden was firebombed, and nearly every German city was in ruins. Germans faced starvation and winter freezing. They had been forced to surrender unconditionally, and their entire territory was occupied. There could be no doubt in their minds that they had been decisively beaten. They realized that their prior aims and ideas led only to death and defeat, and that omly a complete cultural change could secure them a viable future.
Which was it? Once again, as in the forties, we’re going to have to choose.
How does that excuse or justify or begin to explain the deliberate murder of dozens of little kids (at close range, at that)? Beyond that, this case involved Chechen, Arab and Uzbek terrorists– so pointing to Chechen hardship is not nearly enough to explain away the murders this time.
I know how you like to blame everyone but the actual murderers, JB, but maybe you can address the question at hand. What can be done to end the fetishizing of civilian murder? You can’t possibly believe that external factors are more important than internal ones.
Point of comparison– I can think of one group of people that endured thousands of years of brutal oppression all over the world, but somehow never stormed one of their oppressor’s schools and murdered the children there.
J: interesting, but I don’t know that it’s applicable in this case, because terrorists don’t have national boundries or conventional armies.
There’s no real reason to believe that Kerry would pursue any of the policies you attributed to him (even if you didn’t use his name)– it’s pretty clear that by sensitive he meant nuanced and detail-oriented.
Ronen-
Actually, I agree with you about the interpretation of Kerry’s remark, although he should never have uttered such words. And although I consider Kerry to be far too weak in foreign affairs (based upon twenty years of dovish Senate voting, not on one unfortunate remark), obviously as applied to Kerry my “sensitive” paragraph is a parodic exaggeration. However, it’s not much of an exaggeration when applied to many others, including some on this website.
Concerning my comparison of the terrorist and Nazi threats, obviously the two are not exactly the same and cannot be fought in exactly the same way (no two compared items are ever exactly the same). Nevertheless, my basic point about achieving positive cultural change through utter defeat of the enemy stands. Terrorists have suppliers, financial supporters, countries that shelter them, countries that turn a blind eye to their activities, populations and governments that provide them moral support and from whose ranks new terrorists are recruited, and schools that teach the worldview from which terrorism springs. Some of these can be attacked physically, some can be threatened. In any case, there’s a clear difference between the right-wing approach and that of people more to the left. What is not very different between the WWII Germans and the terrorists is the combination in both of viciousness and incorrigibility.
Ronen wrote: “How does that excuse or justify or begin to explain the deliberate murder of dozens of little kids…”
Of course nothing can excuse or justify such things
But as far as explaining, the Russians still fight like evil murderous bastards.. They flatten whole cities with fuel-air bombs and dynamite, and this has been going on between the Chechens and Russians since the 1700’s. The Chechens didn’t start out by holding schools hostage, it escalated to this horrible level via successive rounds of one-upmanship. Stalin deported the entire population to Siberia for 20 years – how many childrens deaths do you think that resulted in?
Have you seen the destruction in Grozny ? Or photos of Afghanistan before the Soviets trashed it ? Kabul was once actually fairly nice.
A further point in regards to WWII – The allies’ disregard for the lives of innocent children – for instance the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden – was no more moral than any other form of child murder
JB,
Just finished two books profiling the infamous neo-nazi David Irving. Comments like these:
” the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden – was no more moral than any other form of child murder”
echo his sentiments exactly. And then there’s this:
“Of course nothing can excuse or justify such things
But…”
“But” Ah, ya gotta love the wacky Left. Yeah sure the Twin Towers was a horrible thing, but…
Yeah sure blowing up people on buses is a crime against humanity, but…
It’s enough to make me wanna hurl my Sugar Crisp.
ah john, i thought you loved the stalinists, you know it violates the code of communism for you to critiize them — but enough of john,ive sworn to myself to only address human beings in these postings. it is interesting to obsersve the attempt of the media to avoid covering the latest example of the muslim death cult in action. in this mornings abc/cbs/nbc news blocks, not a mention of the mass murders (but i did hear about kobe, and a ton of other inconsequential matters); also amusing is the terms other than “terrorist” used to describe these muslim (both local and imported arab) serial killers: separists; militants; gunmen; etc. is there now any doubt that israel is but small potatos in islams worldwide attempt to conquer all before it; and that our media still doesnt understand that; perhaps after the first nuclear device is exploded in an american city this country will finally wake up.
shtreimel wrote:
“Just finished two books profiling the infamous neo-nazi David Irving. Comments like these: … ” the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden – was no more moral than any other form of child murder” … echo his sentiments exactly. “
Oh I see.. So if one opposes not only Chechen and Palestinian child murder, but also American, then one is like a Neo-Nazi.
Well I understand you believe the sky to be blue, and so does David Irving apparently. Hmmm
“Oh I see.. So if one opposes not only Chechen and Palestinian child murder, but also American, then one is like a Neo-Nazi.”
No, only that your comparison directly echoes Irving’s attempt to diminish Nazi atrocities by using examples such as yours. In other words, they do bad things…we’ve done bad things…it’s all the same.
And no, I don’t think your a Nazi, just an annoying twit with repugnant opinions.
the “cult of death” resembles a psychological response to continued failure; it fetishizes failure by making martyrdom into a triumph. it is the dialectical effect of the triumphal march of certain powers over others: Western Enlightenment uniformity over local Muslim cultures, Zionist settlement over Palestinian desires for self-determination, Russian occupation over Chechen desires for the same.
“…resembles a psychological response to continued failure”.
First off, your either a therapist or a fan of Freudian psychology. Anyhoo,
this sounds correct however as Ronen stated:
“…one group of people that endured thousands of years of brutal oppression all over the world, but somehow never stormed one of their oppressor’s schools and murdered the children there.”
According to your theory, the natives in Canada should be “fetishing failure” by the tons, yet they continue to employ relatively peaceful means to try and accomplish their political objectives. As far as I can tell, it is Muslims, a minority perhaps, but Muslims nonetheless, who make “martydom into a triumph”. And while the Tanakh has much evidence to support “martydom” action agains anyone we believe is “Amalek”, our rabbis are quick to adopt peaceful means to resolving disputes.
And before JB throws some obscure rabbi in the West Bank who sanctions murdering Arabs, I’m talking about Israeli sponsored, Jewish movement sponsored, editorials calling for German, French, Arab heads for past/current/future abuses towards the Jewish people. Haven’t ever heard it. Don’t think I will. Thank God.
J wrote: My basic point about achieving positive cultural change through utter defeat of the enemy stands
Actually, please forgive me, but I was going to suggest that your first scenario may also account for the sea-change in German culture and behavior post-WW2.
I can’t come up with an explanation for the societal disease & dysfunction that enabled a Hitler to gain power over the German masses.
Yet maybe it *was* the Allies’ commitment to rebuilding Germany after its sound destruction that initiated positive cultural change.
Defeat of the enemy without a sensitive, whole-hearted commitment to rebuilding just causes more trauma, which in turn begets violence and other dysfunction. It’s like infecting a festering wound with bacteria.
But treating people gently after they’ve been traumatized, by
– providing economic relief (aid, debt relief)
– creating social infrastructure (courts, health services, education, police forces, democratic elections)
– building hard infrastructure (roads, highways, parks, schools, hospitals, factories, research centers)
is more likely to result in a healthy and normal population.
Unfortunately this is not what was planned for Iraq by the Bush administration. This also was not done for India after the traumatic British colonization (hence the India-Pakistan problem & the earth-shaking poverty). It was not done for former African colonies (which, as a result, have suffered so much civil strife, mass slaughter, and societal illness), the former Soviet Union (and yes, communism was a *major* trauma), or for most of the Middle East after the Ottoman empire died and the British & French slipped away.
I think of it this way: after getting hit by a car and sustaining some head injury & memory loss, you are a little incapacitated and require some medical attention. Maybe you also need someone to help take care of your affairs for a few days (someone to pay your bills, help take care of your pets or family, etc) It doesn’t help if you’re left out on the street to fend for yourself after the car accident– that’s not going to help you get better.
Likewise, beating animals with a stick makes them angry and nasty. Abuse also causes some pets to self-destruct (particularly birds). But ‘proper care’ (including shelter, food, affection, and positive reinforcement for desirable behaviors) leads to a healthy, happy, well-behaved pet. Right?
I believe the same is true of humans and, taking the broader view, of societies or even nations. It seems to have worked in both Germany and Japan.
Madon’s post is the most reasonable thing I’ve read on Jewschool in quite a while.
I’ll agree that the Russians played a role in creating an untenable situation. If you try and break a person’s will you will find that sometimes you push them to the point at which they no longer care what you do.
The Chechens have reached that point, they do not care. Corrected, not all Chechens are like that.
But I would never agree that targeting children is ok. It is not, it is not, it is not.
Madon,
I’d like to add to your excellent post by mentioning that WWI ended with an agreement that left the Germans feeling extremely humiliated. This humiliation, combined with their economic woes, apparently left them all to receptive to the aggressive nationalism of Hitler. The parallels between then and now can be overstated, but I think there is a lesson in there.
I also want to say that it disappoints and saddens me when people dismiss any attempt to understand what’s going on in people’s heads as being “sensitive”. Even the most hard-core military strategist recognizes the value of “knowing your enemy.” And there are limits to the efficiency of military-only solutions anyway. (We *did* lose the Vietnam war, kids.)
ah, i get it, we need to understand the muslim serial killers! we need to feel their pain as they are browbeat by western civilization, we need to empathize with them as they look at their standard of living and quality of life and political freedoms v. that of the west, of course this justifies (or at least explans) their action. [interruption for barf attack]. a columnist said it best several months ago: we need to destroy their mosques, kill their mullahs, and convert them to xtainity, only that will solve the problem!
Aha. We now have a textbook case of what is really wrong with the Right Wing: the glorification of ignorance. It was once considered a point of pride to be more intelligent than your enemy, to understand their history, culture, and language (and presumably, their vulnerabilities) so as to better defend oneself, and, when possible, negotiate. Now, we have guys like “avi” who think that knowledge is just dumb. (Hand me that barf bag.)
I really hope our safety doesn’t lie in the hands of morons like this commenter.
Madon: I don’t see anything wrong with your analysis. But I’d be curious to know what you think made the Jews behave in a way that is fundamentally out of sync with what you posited as basic human nature.
mmm, ignorance: did we ask hitler what he really wanted, did we try to figure out what motivated him and what we could do to placate him: or did we decide he was evil and try to kill him and his supporters. slavery, did we say those slaveowners are really decent fellows underneath it all, perhaps if we just understand their economic and social needs, perhaps we can work something out; or did we ruthlessly fight the slaverholders until they were broken; or after iraq invaded kuwait, did we try to understand hussein or did virtually the entire world go to war (thats the 1st gulf war) until he was driven out. when facing evil, the historical precedent is to go full blast until that evil is destroyed, nuanced analysis of why evil exists isnt too important, getting rid of it is. sorry for all those the girly men and women out there
fuck chechnya
fuck russia
I wish that “avi” could read and write (and spell!), and not put his mishapen words in other people’s mouths.
Funny. The terrorists also generally make no attempt to understand anything, they just kill. I am sure they also see what they’re doing as “going full blast until that evil is destroyed.” If it’s not going to work for them, why would it work for us?
I would be quite happy to see Osama dead. What I’m concerned about are all the young people out there who are currently receptive to his message and to be recruited… but who could be given a reason to turn away from this deadly path. How many of millions — billions — of people are you willing to kill?
Oh, and did you actually learn anything in school? In the case of slaveholders, yes, in fact, the Union DID try to reach out to the South afterwards and bring them back into the fold. Um, that was, like, kind of the point of the Civil War. Or is history for “girly men” too?
Ronen, I’m not sure that I understand your question. How have Jews behaved in a way that is fundamentally out-of-synch with what I’ve posited as as basic human nature?
I guess my point was that *both* of J’s scenarios (the sound destruction of something unhealthy, followed by some “TLC”) may have resulted in the dramatic [positive] change in German behavior post-war.
Maybe this analogy for human behavior explains my point better: a man is diagnosed with a nasty cancer. One way to deal with this is to cut open the body with a kitchen knife, pull the cancerous tumor out, and then leave this gaping hole sitting open while the man goes on with life. Chances are he’ll get a nasty infection. The man represents humanity, the cancer is a terrorist.
An alternate way of dealing with the cancer is to surgically remove the tumor (e.g. use clean instruments and careful technique, close up the wound after the surgery, take antibiotics for a while), and then follow up with some bed rest. Tell the patient to take it easy for a few weeks. Ask his spouse or a parent to take care of him for a while. Get his insurance company to cough up the expenses for the surgery, the hospital stay, and the antibiotics. Teach him how to eat and exercise so that he won’t get another cancer.
Now, if the doctor just throws the patient out after the tumor is removed– without closing up the wound, teaching him how to keep it clean, and giving him some drugs to ameliorate the pain– then he’s likely to get very, very sick again.
What we’ve done in Iraq is a very sloppy surgery. Granted, the ‘cancerous growth’ in Iraq was not as serious a disease as what we faced in Europe in the last century.
Now, how have some of us behaved in a way that is fundamentally out-of-synch with this analogy for human behavior?
Do you mean that Jews have managed to get better, becoming healthy & thriving again, even though they were thrown out of the hospital after suffering an earth-shaking trauma? That is maybe a miracle– or a man with a very strong immune system– but it almost never happens this way.
Do you mean that Jews have managed to get better, becoming healthy & thriving again, even though they were thrown out of the hospital after suffering an earth-shaking trauma? That is maybe a miracle– or a man with a very strong immune system– but it almost never happens this way
Yes that’s what I mean, but not simply with reference to the Holocaust, but to 2000 years of oppression and ill treatment– throughout (mostly), we were able to maintain a healthy outlook on life without resorting to violence. The wounds were not only ignored, but were ripped open time and time again. You’d think Jews would have gotten radically violent at some point, and yet that’s never happened (at least until radical settler violence)
hey web, excuse the spelling, thats the job of spell check which unfortunatly doesnt work in these spaces. but dont you see that your main point exactly demonstrates the problem with the left — because i do something that another person does, that somehow makes us indistinquishable and therefor morally equivalent. the allies in wwii bombed military targets in cities that resulted in civilain deaths; the nazis bombed cities in britain with v2s: do you really feel the nazis and us/brit/austr (interesting how the good guys stick together over the decades) are the same. context is signifiant; so is having a strong ethical/moral/religious code. every thinking person gets to make a choice of their religion/moral code/ethical foundation. and yes, even in these times of moral equivalency, some are better, more moral than others; and some are evil. the strains of judaism and chritianity (and buddhism and others) lead to a higher moral performance; and unfortunately that practiced by muslims is in great part evil. Not evil because most muslims are evil (theyre not) but because their religious leaders by explicit instruction or by acquiesence support those who think its a godly act to murder jewish, hindu, christian and other non muslim babies. they represent an evil belief system; either it has to change or we will have to kill its activists (or they will kill even more of us). until you and your like thinkers face that, you will have your head in the sand at the moment someone is blowing off your butt.
OK, “avi”…
I believe YOU were the one to use the moral equivalency argument first, by claiming that any attempt at knowledge or understanding was equivalent to supporting Osama.
It’s not just the mythical left — Military stategists, think-tank members, professors with expertise say the same thing — there is a problem with the way we’re conducting this war on terror.
Unless you and your like “thinkers” (I can barely call it thinking) face the fact that you cannot rely ONLY on military solutions to every problem, we’re just doomed to years of pointless and bloody wars. We lost in Vietnam, we’re losing in Iraq, and we will lose the war on terror unless we’re willing to look honestly at things.
Terrorists scare me, but so do people like you — because you feed them and they feed you.
fuck chechnya
alright, fisking coming up:
OK, “avi”… NOT MY REAL NAME, IS YOURS WEBMACHER?
I believe YOU were the one to use the moral equivalency argument first, by claiming that any attempt at knowledge or understanding was equivalent to supporting Osama.ANY ATTEMPT? DID I POST SOMEWHERE THAT WE SHOULD SHUT DOWN OUR SCHOOLS?
It’s not just the mythical left — Military stategists, think-tank members, professors with expertise say the same thing — there is a problem with the way we’re conducting this war on terror. YEAH, SOME THINK WE ARE NO WHERE TOUGH ENOUGH, AND SOME THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE TOUCHY FEELY, SO WHAT, I WAS EXPRESSING MY OPINION, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY MANY (NEVER CLAIMED ALL)
Unless you and your like “thinkers” (I can barely call it thinking) TYPICAL POSITION OF LEFTISTS TO DENY THEIR OPPONENTS INTELLECTUAL LEGITIMACY; ALSO THE POSITION OF FASCISTS AND COMMUNISTSface the fact that you cannot rely ONLY on military solutions to every problem, WEB, I THINK YOURE ENCOUNTERING A READING OR UNDERSTANDING PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY IM NOT SUGGESTING WE NUKE YOU BECAUSE YOU JUST RAN A RED LIGHTwe’re just doomed to years of pointless and bloody warsPOINTLESS AND BLOODY? STOPPING MASS SERIAL KILLERS (EG ISLAMOFASCISTS) IS POINTLESS?. We lost in VietnamAND THE LESSON FROM THAT IS?, we’re losing in Iraq,I KNOW YOU WISH THAT, COME BACK IN 5 YEARS AND WE WILL DECIDE THEN and we will lose the war on terror unless we’re willing to look honestly at thingsWE SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK HONESTLY AT THINGS, AND THE HONEST RESPONSE TO HITLER, STALIN AND OSSAMA IS WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THEY THINK OR WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY DO, WE HAVE TO KILL THEM OR THEY WILL KILL US (ALTERNATIVE: LETS DESTROY ISRAEL, WE ALL CONVERT TO ISLAM, OUR WOMEN HAVE CLITORECTOMIES AND WEAR A BURKA, AND WE BLINDLY FOLLOW THE DICTATES OF THE LOCAL MAD MULLAH, THERE, ARE YOU HAPPY, IVE NOW LOOKED AT WHY ARE THEY MAD AT US AND WHAT DO THEY WANT)
Terrorists scare me, but so do people like you — because you feed them and they feed you (I FEED OSAMA? ONLY RAW LED).
We are intelligent enough to know that any person (who can think for himself) or (free honest organization)
Would not support the actions, teachings and evil deeds such as those perpetrated and taught by Mohammed of
Islam? No free
thinking individual would join such an EVIL cult unless they were forced to as a child, out of FEAR.
Fear of one’s
peers and family is a strong control factor used by Muslim leaders. Or they were lied to, and NOT given the
truth about who
Mohammad really was. We know
that the punishment for leaving Islam is to be murdered by other Muslims. No, Free Minded Person, would be
part of such
Evil. About 12 million Muslims or 1% of the total Muslims on earth are openly Evil.
What if only 1% of the remaining 5 million humans on earth felt that All Muslims should be killed, just as 1%
of Muslims
are already trying to do to infidels a round the world. We need to give these 5 million people a name, lets
call the
` Free Peoples of Earth’. (F.P.E) So now we see the big picture. You still want to call your self a
Muslim. Why? When 1% of your members are so evil in their deeds, that they are considered barbaric by most
of the world.
How would you feel if only 1% of the 5 billion members of Free Peoples of Earth were killing, mass murdering,
and beheading Muslims every where in the world, even here in America. How would you feel when you met a
member of the F.P.E ? (Free Peoples of Earth) Remember 99% of F.P.E members kill no one, but you also
know that 50%
of F.P.E members HATE you because of the things done by 1% of your fellow Muslims. Just speaking for
myself. Why would any
one be part of any organization that had 1% of its members doing the barbaric deeds being
done by 1% or more of the Muslims around the world. Until Islam can clean its OWN House, Muslims will be
hated not
loved or respected by anyone out side of Islam. In your Muslim hearts, you really don’t care do you? The
true EVIL of Islam starts at the Top with Islamic leadership and works its hate form the top down.
As it did with Mohammed. : Could 1% of the 5 billion people being hunted and hated by the 1% or 12 million
Muslims of the world, Declare WAR on Islam? You tell ME. I think so! The Hate of Islam is starting to run
deep. Only Muslims can stop the killing, but Islamic history says Muslims never will. Does this mean that
war will be
declared on Islam by F.P.E ? Is it inevitable? When Islam lets 1% or 12 million of its members run wild,
I’m
sure many F.P.E’ S , LIKE MYSELF, HAVE ALREADY DECLARED WAR ON ISLAM. Its my duty and right to stand-up
against such Evil. Till death do us part. C.A.I.R , IF you and your fellow Muslims can’t stop the evil being
done by other Muslims in the name of ALLAH (your god, not mine) you are doomed to live in fear and evil. Is
that C.A.I.R’s mission ? I know you think you will always be safe here in America, but remember, We
Americans are willing to die for freedom, anyone who doubts that fact is making a misjudgment . Americans
have a saying ” TALK IS CHEAP” C.A.I.R would do well to remember that. I’m sure C.A.I.R thinks America
could never lockup, deport, and out-law Islam. Is that a risk C.A.I.R is willing to take? Islam is against
freedom, therefore Islam as no place in America. Muslims in America should be thinking long and hard about
their future in America. Peace or all out war against Islam is coming soon, right now the ball is in your
court, but not for long. History shows that evil never prevails, and that freedom is a powerful winning
force. Right
now it looks like Islam is on the wrong side of peace and freedom…….know your enemy, C.A.I.R I’m an
American, I’m an enemy of Islam, if you support Islam then you support terrorism and are my enemy!
There you have it C.A.I.R straight from your American enemy. Just so you know who YOU are C.A.I.R , BECAUSE
YOU SUPPORT Islam, you SUPPORT TERRORISM , therefore C.A.I.R is an enemy of America. I also know that you
Muslims at C.A.I.R can not think for yourselves, therefore the above statement means nothing to you. Or is so
far over your heads that your eyes are crossed. Save your C.A.I.R condemns terrorism speeches. We know Islam
is one big lie
after another.
Sincerely Ragheadwilly