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JWW: We Are The Jewish Vote

Responding to ongoing assertions that Bush has the Jewish vote in the bag, Jewish Women Washing—er sorry, Jewish Women Watching—has launched a new campaign to reassert the liberal values of Jewish voters, or to talk straight smack about Bush, depending how you look at it.

The campaign’s centerpiece is a new postcard (available here for ordering or for download) which calls into question Bush administration policies on sexuality, working families, and Israel.


Now, y’all know me — I hate Bush with an intensity some have gone so far as to call unhealthy. Just thinking about the man and his chimpish smirk for any duration of time is enough to drive steam from my ears, thus making my destestment of the man and his policies pretty much unquestionable. Hell, I co-organized the original Thursday Night Bush Bash, pre 9/11, and was in DC to protest the man’s inauguration. Clearly, I’ve got my Bush-hating credentials on lockdown. So, forgive me for asking, but well, isn’t it just a bit disingenuous to imply that there’s a direct correlation between the number of casualties from the current intifada and the Bush administration’s Middle East policy? Isn’t that, well, stretching it just a bit too far?

44 thoughts on “JWW: We Are The Jewish Vote

  1. Actually, he is responsible. As the Clinton Administration closed there was still a chance at peace. When Bush was selected president, he instituted a hands-off policy that allowed things to spin further out of control. It was a very long period of time before the Area even ahad a visit by Colin Powell. So yes, he is responsible.

  2. It is neither clintons nor bushs fault.
    But rob, since you seem to enjoy tortured logic, hows this?
    Intafada started under clinton, ended under bush.

  3. The Dems enthusiastically supported Oslo which has proved to be suicidal for Israel. The Dems also loved Wye, Camp David and other dreams of cutting up Israel and handing it over to a terrorist entity called the PLO.
    I know I’m not to eloquent on this subject but IMO, liberalism is just not what American Jews need right now, especially since it negates family values, and who needs ‘family planning’ when you guys aren’t making babies anyway?

  4. the united states is not an impartial mediator. american support for israel does not come from a place of good will, but of “interest”. america is not a trustworthy partner, particularly under the bush regime. as far as i’m concerned, the further he stays away, the better.
    now whether absent or present, you can’t hold bush accountable for the actions of israelis and palestinians, however. america may give israel weapons, and the e.u. the palestinians, but they don’t squeeze the triggers. that’s each individual’s own responsibility, and that’s where we really need to be doing work, on a personal human level with jews and arabs alike.
    but that’s not what’s happening. instead, the attempted remedy is cash for compliance, “foreign aid”. see how well that works?
    all bill clinton succeeded in doing was giving arafat a photo-op to exploit:
    “This Intifada was planned in advance, ever since President Arafat’s return from the Camp David negotiations, where he turned the table upside down on President Clinton. [Arafat] remained steadfast and challenged [Clinton]. He rejected the American terms and he did it in the heart of the US.” — PA Communications Minister, ‘Imad Al-Faluji, “Al-Safir” (Lebanon), March 3, 2001 [via memri]
    arafat never had peace in mind, and don’t kid yourself otherwise. this is the official palestinian position.

  5. ya know josh, believing in peace doesn’t make liberals evil, nor stupid. just hopeful. certainly more hopeful than those who think that sticking a gun in the face of anyone who doesn’t agree with them is the way to make progress.
    your remarks are simply immature.

  6. Dude – i think (hope) that that wasnt what they meant – rather to imply as I have stated that in the bloodiest years in israel’s history, Bush has done absolutely nothing to help the situation and this whole notion that he is their best friend is a royal farce.

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  8. hi my name is velvel and i have absolutely nothing better to do with my time than persist in talking shit to people on their websites whom i disagree with politically.
    i’m entirely amused by the fact that i actually defended bush against this particular charge, and somehow you’ve still managed to find something wrong to bitch about.
    you gotta love the fact that jews for bush is run by a bunch of rich assholes, and jews for kerry is a grassroots effort run by your average joe. just goes to show who’s represented by who…
    let’s fisk their top 10 reasons to vote for bush, shall we?
    1. despite bush’s attempts to cover up the fact so that he can look like he’s doing a good job, terrorism is on the rise, not in abatement. the administration’s efforts have been garnering more support for extremists and creating more terrorists, not eliminating them. and bush knows it.
    2. it’s one thing to lie about a blowjob, it’s another to lie in order to start a still unsubstantiated war, killing 1,000 american kids (and severing the limbs of thousands more) in the process. further, bush’s verbal gaffes are an embarassment and a disgrace to the office of president. just listen to this asshole. oh, and his veep — real honorable too. because saying “if you vote for my opponent you’re voting for terrorism” really shows integrity.
    3. unilateral support for the sharon administration and likud policies which parallel those of your own neoconservative agenda do not equate with support for israel, because, ya know, there’s another israel that hates likud, and they’re mm, well, half the country. further, bush may have two years of supporting israel on his terms under his belt, but john kerry has well over a decade of supporting israel in the senate under his, and in that, has one of the best voting records on israel there is. kerry’s also appointed a former head of aipac to be his middle east advisor. so to cite that kerry disagrees with the fence (which many jews do, because of its placement), as a basis for discrediting his support for israel is disingenuous itself.
    4. by promoting so-called “school choice” bush takes money away from an already struggling public education system and makes it impossible for poor districts to employ quality teachers, cut down class sizes, provide textbooks and supplies to students, operate athletics and music programs, etc. leaving masses of children ignorant and ill-prepared for college and the workplace. people in abject poverty who are not educated well enough to find gainful employment are typically driven towards alternative means of sustenance, such as crime.
    5. the government may not be officially endorsing a specific religious group, but by providing money to “faith-based” organizations, the bush administration is opening up a rather unsavory can of worms on separation of church and state issues. further, these faith-based organizations generally descriminate in the application of their services towards members specifically of the organization’s religious donomination; ie., limiting the scope of tax-subsidized services available to those who do not identify with a specific faith or who are unwelcome by their faith, such as homosexuals.
    i have to run to class, but i’ll do the other 5 later.

  9. No one is asserting that Bush has the Jewish vote “in the bag.” Poll after poll shows that at least 75% of U.S. Jews will vote for Kerry. What’s changing is that it used to be 80%. This election is all about small margins of swing voters, so the small # of Jews who have turned Republican for some godforsaken reason known only to them really matters.

  10. for those leftists who infest this board, may i suggest a shortcut: your arguments always devolve to bush is a right wing christian moron who is evil and got us into an unnecessary war and is trying to destroy poor people. why not just start out every posting with an abreviation of that (perhaps bushmorhatkillpoor); then, if surprisingly, you have a new argument to make, you can set it forth. think of the ecological benefit to cyberspace if you follow this advice. bushmorhatkilpoor = less trees, less bytes.

  11. Man. I am SO glad I live in Canada. American politics has been so divisive and so fractured for so long that it is remarkable that y’all don’t drop into an extended slumber out of the sheer boredom and repetitiveness of all the oh so crucial and vital issues that pop up every 4 years around election time. The French have a saying – plus que ca change, plus que c’est la meme chose – the more things change, the more they remain the same. That’s what I find to be so amazing – it seems like things evolve in the US in a way that has little to do with who is actually in power. The core remains essentially untouched and unaffected by what goes on in Washington.
    The trick then is to have your hooks into both parties so that no matter who wins, you nonetheless maintain a certain level of stability. As Jews, I think we’ve got that covered. That being the case, all this talk ammounts to nothing more than a hill of beans. So yes, bushmorhatkilpoor. Lets also throw in the Kerry equivalent, whatever it is… uh Kerry waffles, the swift boat thing, weak on terrorism, anti family values, bad for the economy – lets see that would be kerrywafswifnofamnoecon.
    So I am all for the use of the above acronyms in lieu of tireless and repetive bickering… I mean may as well, for all the difference it will make.

  12. Mob,
    were you commenting about what I posted or the folks before me.
    Anyway,
    I sort of assumed that on ‘jewschool’ people are intellectual enough to understand that virtually all Jews want ‘peace’ (and everyone has their own definition of that), not just ‘liberals/leftists’ who’ve hijacked the term for themselves. Granted this is a huge generalization – liberals are sometimes more than just hopeful, instead ignoring reality, lessons learned, and specific statements and policies that the ‘enemy’ voices over and over at every instance like you yourself posted.
    I agree with you on ‘interest’. Here, everybody welcomed head spook of the CIA a few years ago as an impartial supporter of the good ‘ole US of A but too bad most people ignore how the US government and policy works. Clinton, Kerry, Bush, Tenet, Mitchell, Zini, Ross, Kurtzer, etc… are not looking out for the best interests of Israel, let no one think otherwise.

  13. Oh and Josh – the whole point of funding for family planning is to prevent the need for back alley teenage abortions in the first place – something self righteous non sex ed GOP’ers still fail to realize.
    as for wye – what greater display to the wolrd of the true colors of arafat, than Barak offering more than anyone ever had, – only to get it spit back in his face showing the world that he had never really changed?

  14. Wait, Mr Green! L’ll be the debater for the Bushie side!
    OK lemme see…um oh yeah – buzzwords! Here we go – gotta make sure I got this right.
    “Flip-Flop Flip-Flop” sure that’ll fire em up…what else is in that canned speech of half truths and out of context nonesense… oh yeah! “Kerry Voted AGAINST armor for the troops!” (ich that mamzer) “you know what kerry means in hebrew? you know his wife gave money to charities who give to the poor arabs?”
    BTW – to all those jews who keep asking me with the little snicker “heh, you know what Kerry means in hebrew?”
    I say once again – yes.
    But I got one question for the rest of youse who wanna demean a conversation with that.
    Do you know what BUSH means in hebrew?
    Embarassment.

  15. Mo,
    Are you talking shit to me because I disagree with you politically and post comments on your site? If not for me, who will post from the “farthest Right?” That seems a little snotty.
    Change your Editor’s Note.

  16. Mobious in israel, i read your “fisking” of the reasons to vote for bush, and i must say that i am quite disappointed.
    I am pro bush, and will be voting for bush, however, i still realize that bush is far from perfect, and there are plenty of reasons not to vote for him.
    Unfortunately most of your anti-bush points are either overplayed liberal hyperbole, or you simply pointing out that bush advocates conservative positions, something everybody voting for or against bush already knows.
    I suggest you start surrounding yourself with republican/ conservative friends who are more intelligent than yourself. This way you will quickly realize how simplistic your arguments are, and how easily they can be destroyed. Such experiences will force you to challenge yourself and come up with better arguments, which do exist.
    “bush lied people died” may work at your left wing rallies, and may be enough to out-argue your idiot YU classmates, but they are far from enough to convince a fairly intelligent independent or moderate voter not to vote for bush.

  17. I love the way these people rant about how right wing fanatcism = brains.
    I can argue the same that if you had any, you wouldnt be one.
    Ah, but such is the world of hyped up propaganda with no substance.

  18. i refuse to argue with mudslingers. either argue issues of substance or STFU. i’m not getting embroiled in arguments with people who would rather insult their opponent than engage them on the issues called into question.
    velvel — if i were a right winger, i would resent your claim to represent the right wing voice on this site, because you don’t offer any substance — you only talk shit. if that’s what it means to be a right winger, you’re doing a fantastic job of convincing me why the right is full of shit.
    lsat — if my arguments are “easily destroyed” then destroy them. mmm, oh wait, you can’t. so you’re attacking me instead. gotta love the right.

  19. Mo, you’re very angry. And you sling more shit than anyone.
    Fix your editor’s note. And as a design thing, you should make some kind of prominent link to get back to the main page from a post-page.

  20. I don’t only talk shit. I have to post a response equal to the left-wing propaganda that you post. Sometimes I don’t have the energy to get all the way into it, but I will provide links if I have them. And I will voice my opinion if only to say that your opinions don’t represent the entire Jewish people.

  21. “lsat — if my arguments are “easily destroyed” then destroy them. mmm, oh wait, you can’t.”
    its not “lsat” its lsat 178. Keep that in mind when you respond to me.
    I hope this helps.

  22. “i refuse to argue with mudslingers. either argue issues of substance or STFU. i’m not getting embroiled in arguments with people who would rather insult their opponent than engage them on the issues called into question. ”
    Mobius
    “bush’s verbal gaffes are an embarassment and a disgrace to the office of president. just listen to this asshole. ”
    Mobius
    “hi my name is velvel and i have absolutely nothing better to do with my time than persist in talking shit to people on their websites whom i disagree with politically.”
    Mobius
    “you gotta love the fact that jews for bush is run by a bunch of rich assholes”
    Mobius
    “Now, y’all know me — I hate Bush with an intensity some have gone so far as to call unhealthy. Just thinking about the man and his chimpish smirk for any duration of time is enough to drive steam from my ears, thus making my destestment of the man and his policies pretty much unquestionable.”
    Mobius
    you seem to be following your advice to the letter. Calm down man. Velvel has a right to post his “far right” viewpoint, just as moshe oofnick has a right to post his “far left viewpoint. Take a valium and breathe deeply.

  23. “Mo, you’re very angry. And you sling more shit than anyone.”
    see, now, i’m not really angry, i’m just freaking annoyed. if you had three belligerent people who talk naught but shit crawling up your ass every day because they disagree with you politically, you’d be agitated too.
    you sit there baiting me, writing one insult after another, and espousing one unsubstantiated “fact” after another, and then when i actually take the time to respond to you, because i’m sick of your nonsense, you tell me i’m angry.
    how ’bout i sit on your blog and throw one insult at you after another? let’s see how you respond.

    “And I will voice my opinion if only to say that your opinions don’t represent the entire Jewish people.”
    see, which i think is ridiculous… in the face of lgf, israpundit, keshertalk, protocols, and the unyielding array of right wing jewish websites (which i would argue are the vast majority), one popular blog on all of the web voices a left/liberal jewish opinion to counter the idea that all jewish people think the way you do, and you have to troll around here in an attempt to knock it flat.
    you’re just a bully with no tolerance for opinions other than your own, plain and simple.

    kippie: contending with a viewpoint within the context fo an argument is one thing. contending with unyielding insults in lieu of a reasonable argument is another.

  24. “The Israeli left-wing and your ‘peace-camp’ are what ultimately encouraged us to continue to carry out suicide bombings. We tried, through our attacks, to create fragmentation and dissention within Israeli society, and the left-wing encouraged us in that regard. When we heard about the ‘Pilot’s Letter,’ the refuse-niks and the elite soldiers refusing to serve [in Judea, Samaria and Gaza –ed.] it strengthened our confidence in the effectiveness of the suicide bomber. The disengagement from Gaza is proof of our victory. The fact that Sharon is willing to withdraw unconditionally is basically equivalent to raising a white flag and retreating. Only by force are we able to teach the other side what to do.”
    -Hamas Terrorist

  25. Source or no source, he is kind of right. I mean just as the pullout from Lebanon inspired Arafat and the first generation of intifadah suicide bombers (as pointed out by David Horovitz in his book “Still Life with Bombers : Israel in the Age of Terrorism”) – you can’t ignore the cause and effect action. Each “victory” brings greater inspiration. However, that should not influence the decisions taken. For instance, pulling out of Gaza is a good idea – it’s a shithole that we don’t need and my cousin Shimon is getting tired of doing miluim there.

  26. I don’t think that we can blame Bush for the current situation, although we still can be critical of his approach to the region and question if he is doing right by Israel, or if he is basically kneeling down before the Christian Right (his true base).

  27. Three best US president’s for Israel:
    1) W
    2) Truman
    3) Reagan.
    Three worse US president’s for Israel:
    1) Carter
    2) Bush 1
    2) Clinton.
    Any jew that votes for Kerry is a f-cking moron. Which means that at least 60% of the US Ghetto Jews will be voting for Kerry. Work will set you free.

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