SoMe HOt Chicks, this may be a naive question but is it a porn site? I know there are naked pics, but is the site intended to jack off 2? antinomianism= I learned a new word today, THanks MObius, I have to remember how much smarter you are then me

Finally, some real Zionism and love of your people. Good stuff, Moby.
Chag sameach.

Mobius are you a sicko?
You link Jewschool to porn?!

a) suicide girls isn’t porn. it’s punk rock erotica. there’s nothing sleazy about it other than for aesthetic’s sake.
b) i invite you to please REVISIT THE LINK ON ANTINOMIANISM. it’s way more a part of our tradition than you might imagine.
c) if you’re so trouble by this photograph, i urge you to contemplate what it means to be free, both physically and mentally, during this sacred time in our calendar.

dude. i’m not being anal. in my mind, passover is plenty hot without these photos. check the midrash about the women’s copper mirrors that they would bring out to their husbands in the fields for one of many references to the spiciness contained within our tradition…
mobius, IMHO, the difference between “punk rock erotica” and “porn” is so hairline as to be non-existent… boobs are boobs, and pictures of naked ones give heterosexual men the urge to immediately fondle and squeeze them/themselves. you really think katya is “free?” i think these pictures depict katya’s “enslavement” to the concept that women are chattel to be subjugated to the fetishistic whims of patriarchal sexuality. sure, she’s free to choose it… if i were a woman, i’d probably choose another way to express my connection to my people and heritage, one where people could contemplate the contents of my thoughts/ideas/feelings rather than my contents of my panties.

“a) suicide girls isn’t porn. it’s punk rock erotica. there’s nothing sleazy about it other than for aesthetic’s sake.”
Porn one doesn’t jerk off to? That’s about the sleaziest (not to mention most pretentious) thing I’ve heard in a while. And there’s absolutely nothing ‘punk rock’ about not jerking off to porn. ‘Hustler’ is a lot less sleazy than whatever it is you’re suggesting this stuff represents.

wow i must say you are a bit over reacting on this one.
first of all about the site, its not porn! porn is the thing where you get to see actual sex/penetration/close ups on the genitalia. however this site is an artistic one,pin-up,yes in the nude, modeling site.
bettie paige and marlin monroe did the very same thing but im sure you dont think that they are sleazy,right?
and about the subject of the set, in was done with full respect to the holiday,and love and not to joke or mock it. christsian did christmass set,chineese did a happy new years (of the chineese ofcourse) there was a st. patrick set,valentaines,easter and many more. so why the hell a passover set is wrong? would youhave reacted the same if she did a purim or a hanuka set??
come on! its a holiday enjoy it and if you like you can enjoy some nudity as well, just dont get all righteous on me.
and one last thing,dont feel sorry or das for my little katya, she is happy with that so you should just enjoy what she’s showing you.
and by the way the matzha is j-u-s-t a bread! not some holy water that make criple people walk so take it easy…
enjoy the rest of this holiday.

Taken from Wikipedia:
“It has been said, ironically, that “The difference between erotica and pornography is simple. Erotica is what I like; pornography is what you like, you pervert”.”
And moreover:
“Pornography is the representation of the human body or human sexual behaviour with the goal of sexual arousal,”
Does Suicide Girls do this? Perhaps the members can tell us. However a site dedicated to showing YOUNG girls (18-24), with piercings in all the right places, sounds to me like a site that guys relieve themselves to. Now that doesn’t make it pron per se, but I’m wondering what Mob’s rabbis would call it? You know, the one’s he likes to quote whenever he’s in a Torah mood.

I dont think any form of Judaism considers a nude photoshoot a valid method of showing respect towards anything,especially towards a holiday.Any holiday. Its not considered any more respectful then banging a horse “done artistically with a full love and respect for the holiday”.

“was done with full respect to the holiday,and love and not to joke or mock it. ”
Ok, raise of hands, how many people are buying this?
“come on! its a holiday enjoy it”
I did, with my friends and family. And our clothes were…ON.
“if you like you can enjoy some nudity as well, just dont get all righteous on me.”
I wouldn’t if you stopped trying to sell smut as spirituality.
“dont feel sorry or das for my little katya, she is happy with that so you should just enjoy what she’s showing you.”
Your sis is very attractive. No doubt. But in general, woman who sell their bodies (to turn guys on, for sex…whatever) are usually women with very low self-esteem. I mean why would you sister want to remove all of her clothes and pose for an Internet site that is viewed by millions of horny men (and some women no doubt). Hmmmmmm. You’re gonna sell me the kavanah line again? Please, don’t insult me with such drivel.

Shreimel I have no membership.
Unfortunately just some of the pictures of some of them have porn straight up- no membership. Simply click on one or two of the girls there and some have pictures of themselves naked with other girls …
The link is to porn without a password.

shtriemel, i do believe in what i said and my sister doesnt have to explain her reasons for doing so.
im not selling you stuff to shut you up or just being defensive, its her right to get naked and do a tribute to a holiday she loves, and its your right not to agree with it/love in and not look at the pics.
there are many people that did like this idea and didnt think it was offensive.
i suggest we stop this argument since it is leading to nowhere and just being silly.
youll keep thinking that its degrading or whatever and will think its ok. and if you know a little hebrew its called “lit’hon mayim”.
no heart felling, enjoy your life.
and i still dont understand why are you taking it so hard..

Wonder of wonders. I agree somewhat with shriemel on this one. I’m not advocating that anyone ban it, or even avoid it, but let’s at least not fool ourselves. It’s arguably soft-core, but even pin-up is porn. That said, and from what little I know about Suicide Girls, I hope they are at least pretty well separated from what is more widely recognized as the adult film industry, which for its predatory exploitation and utter disregard for labor standards should really be regarded by genuine liberals as utterly repellent.

For more passover fun read the article, “Queer Naked Seder and Other Newish Jewish Traditions” in Queer Jews.

By the way, if I may indulge my liberal impulses and add that government has a very real and useful role in regulating and maintaining standards in the public interest. For example, private interests are waging a successful campaign against the principle of public lands like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Likewise, there is a disregard for regulatory action needed in the adult film industry, because (again, shrtiemel is right on the money) it is a lucrative industry for major corporations with subsidiaries that produce adult films that benefit from the deregulatory trend in conservative politics.

chazarmaveth,
I agree with both alexbmn and yourself. But this is a personal site, from a person who, at times, veers so far off the “can this be considered jewish” edge that we should expect this sort of stuff. Mob likes attention, and he does what he has to do to get it. If we visit Jewschool, we do so for some of that edge. I can think of a gazillion other Jewish sites where you won’t see naked women holding matzah.
That being said, I stand behind Mob’s right to post anything that involves Jews. When he tries to twist it into something other than what it is, I’ll call him on it.

Hey Katya sis, You have to understand where Jews we take everything hard, never lightly, hehe. HOw much does one get for a photo spread? I am not sure what kind of SHavout themed spread I could do, but I could get real Creative with CHanukah!!

You can call it art, but it’s still porn.

An”ne*loid, n. [F. annel[‘e] ringed + -oid.] (Zo[“o]l.) An animal resembling an annelid.
an·ne·lid n. Any of various worms or wormlike animals of the phylum Annelida, characterized by an elongated, cylindrical, segmented body and including the earthworm and leech.
you’re right, D, this is the internet. and we will be here long after your miserable earthly demise, nibbling at the remains of your putrid corpse! bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!

The porn vs. art debate is awfully lame. Say that it is porn: so what? The key then would be to show that all porn is bad and that’s a lot harder to show than it is to just throw around labels. Shtremiel’s ruminations about the porn industry may be irrelevant to a site that affords the girls a great deal of leeway. (Muffti himself knows a suicide girl and can assure you she gets pushed into nothing whatsoever!) As usual, the debate over art vs. porn is just a way to hide real thinking about whether or not all uses of the body to arouse are bad. Rock on SGs. Muffti loves all y’all beautiful chix.

Muffti, I agree with you 100%. Very well put.

Another Jewish SuicideGirl,
I work with adolescent girls/young adults within a clinical setting. Know what? I can almost always tell the degree of trauma by the amount of tattoos and piercings they walk in with. It never fails. Interesting huh? And regarding public displays of nudity, from a clinical perspective, that speaks volumes as well.

I’m intrigued that everyone’s got their panties in a bunch (or on the floor) over some JewPr0n. Its complicated to figure out if this kind of art/entertainment is harmful to those who pose for it, or those who consume it. As a consumer I can say, it’s fucked with me just a bit. I actually think the SG is a step in the right direction. I dont think nudity or public sexuality a problem. What’s been the problem in my own life is that standard porn warps my sense of proportion (literally and figuratively). Its gotten to the point where I actually don’t find SG all that erotic, because its pictures of real women. When I take a step back I can see that their bodies are actually more beautiful than most porn models, certainly more interesting than the cookie-cutter plastic people we see in mainstream porn, yet somehow I don’t relate to it as porn. Perhaps thats the important distinction. Porn is about portrayal; what’s hot about it is not the nudity, but the objectification. SG actually humanizes its subjects, though it is a site where you pay to see naked people. I guess that puts it somewhere in between. Like I said, a positive step. If I could wean myself from porn on SG I would be happy.
The other interesting element of this conversation has been the Jewish component. I think we need more interesting Jewish cultural production, including porn. There is only so much klezmer and chagal I can stand. As long as we are willing to include hebrw poetry from muslim spain as Judaica, we should include passover porn as well. Each is the erotic cultural idiom of its time and place. Hell, we even included some of the tamer poetry in the siddur (ibn ezra et al). One day we may just have a fully illustrated shir ha’shirum (song of songs).

“I think we need more interesting Jewish cultural production, including porn.”
Yes Yusul…what our community needs is more porn. You’re right, that’s what is missing. Shit, how come my local UJA didn’t think of that.

Thanks ASG.
Shtremiel: nihilism? Muffti expressed no nihilism as far as he could tell (though, if what he said gets him laid, he probably won’t be so quick to make this argument to the kind your deluded lady.)
As for why a woman would want to show her body off to a naked audience, it’s a good question. But maybe in a world where we don’t think that is such a bad thing, we won’t consider it a symptom of anything at all when someone does it. In any case, one can think of many reasons, not all pernicious: perhaps it makes her feel sexy. Perhaps its a form of free expression and art for her. Perhaps it helps her fight against an ethic where people like you import assumptions about why someone would want to do something like that in the first place.
As for your judgements about piercings, etc., wtf does that have to do with anything? Muffti means, that is interesting, but it tells you NOTHING about people that have piercings in general. All it tells you is that amongst the people who come to you, the most distrubed are pierced and tattooed. Does that predict that pierced tattooed people are likely to generally show this characteristic?
If you answered ‘yes’ to the preceding question, put on a dunce cap and go learn some statistical methodology. If you answered ‘no’, then disregard Shtremiel’s post 🙂

shtreimel, LOL!!!!!!!!

“As for your judgements about piercings, etc., wtf does that have to do with anything? Muffti means, that is interesting, but it tells you NOTHING about people that have piercings in general. ”
But you’re wrong Muffti. And while you’re bang on with respect to rational thinking visavis stats and what they may or may not prove, you’re R2D2 approach to life’s issues creates a myopia that prevents you from seeing the big picture visavis piercings and their connection to self-mutliation in general. I’m not talking about the cute diamond studs your cousin wears, I’m refering to the piercings sported by the Suicide Girls. And no, I’m not going to surf the web and find you stats and studies about the connection between piercings and self-mutliation, suffice to say it’s well documented (read: Dr. Neufeld’s stuff if you’re truly interested).
“Does that predict that pierced tattooed people are likely to generally show this characteristic?”
In a majority of cases…yes.
“If you answered ‘yes’ to the preceding question, put on a dunce cap and go learn some statistical methodology.”
You’re a philosopher, and I’m a shrink. I’ll go read some stats if you go school yourself about basic adolescent psychology. You’re wading in waters you know very little about Muffti. Still, it may get you laid 😉

holy shit, i can’t believe there are suicide girls on jewschool…this is great..i need one of those tomato fuck you shirts too…
i always kinda thought sg was like a soft core porn type thing..but then again..i like porn and piercings. keep up the good work ladies.

“And the rule states (based on my clinical practice)”
You just negated any possibility that your own rule applies to the entire spectrum of people with tattoos and “the types of piercings found on Suicide Girls” by adding the modifier that it is based on your clinical practice…my entire point was you are taking your examples from a selective pool of subjects. Sure, the vast majority of girls you see who have tattoos and piercings are going to be emotionally troubled. They wouldn’t be coming to see you if they weren’t. There’s an entire world of healthy, happy pierced and tattooed people out there, as well as nude models, but they are not going to walk into your office. Because they are mentally healthy.
In response to part a of your rule, you are making an extraordinary generalization about girls who pose nude, aside from the obvious assumption about their motives, which I won’t even address as it is something it is clear we won’t be able to reach common ground on. You’re assuming (I’m inferring) that girls who pose on the internet nude would not be in or want a monogamous relationship already. I myself am, happily, in a monogamous relationship. Without wiping off my tattoos or removing my piercings. I know hundreds (yes, hundreds) of girls on the site who are in monogamous relationships. Posing nude on the internet does not preclude this. And your addition of “even the bi/lesbians” is incredibly offensive. You have no right to assume a bisexual or lesbian girl would be any less likely to desire a monogamous relationship.
I won’t address part b as I don’t understand what it has to do with the discussion, unless it’s to suggest that no man would desire or have a healthy, long-term relationship with a woman who was a nude model. Which is ludicrous. There are married women on the site, and quite a few who have children.
“One doesn’t need to debate if porn lacks value…it just does.”
That is your opinion.
Mine is that it does not.
As much as I would love to try to change your mind on this subject, I suggest we drop this aspect from the conversation as it is pretty clear neither of us are going to change our minds in this regard.

AJSG…
Couple o’ things:
Comments like this:
“WHY I DID SG: for my 15 minutes, doncha know”
and this:
“GETS ME HOT: Flattery. Tell me I am special, tell me I am pretty.”
support my arguement. I respect your honesty. But if you need to be told your special, well…ask your parents.
Finally, I’m not a member of SG. But many of your photos (and your feature in BOINK magazine (the college guide to carnal knowledge) – some more innocent modeling, huh?), would suggest far more suggestive things than what non-members can view. Can I infer that the members photos would support, rather than detract, from my arguements?

“But why don’t you just fess up and admit that there is a large issue in psychology, to which your anecdotal evidence contributes nothing.”
GM,
I haven’t the time or energy to provide you with a 2+2=4 approach to human behavior. And that is why philosophers would make very poor therapists (although I have no doubt they probably access the services. The 2 philosophy courses I took at Concordia were full of very morose looking individuals. Alas, this is anecdotal). Suffice to say that my “anecdotal evidence” is backed by a plethora of research (the most accessible is Neufeld’s material) and the symptomology speaks for itself. Now please GM, stick to riddles and wit.
“And by the way, Muffti doesn’t agree with ASG just coz she’s an SG. He thinks she’s dead on.”
She’s claims she has a dude, dude. You’re gonna have to rely on her photos. Happy whacking..

Hey Dan,
Sometimes you’re just plain…WRONG.

see?

“A clinical practice is the result of years of study, practice and a general interest in human psychology. However I’m sure if you ask you parents about the relationship between tattoos/piercing and self-mutliation they can point you in the right direction visavis studies/research….But yes, I have no doubt that there are happy pierced and tattooed people living among us.”
As I said, I’m not denying that there is a correlation, I’m just asking you to acknowledge that it’s a correlation within a skewed sampling. I misunderstood on the latter point, I thought you were suggesting that all people with piercings and/or tattoos were unhealthy. I’m glad to see that’s not the case.
“No, I’m stating that they are starving for attention and will use their bodies to acquire it. AJSG…I saw/read your page. And others can do the same (You posted a photo of your breasts from ’03. Yet your site says your 19. So you were either a late 17, or an early 18. Do your parents know you do this?). It is crystal clear that you fall into this category, relationship or not. My comment about relationships is that underneath all that tough chick exterior is a human wanting to have an emotionally intimate connection with another human.”
The entry you’re referring to was posted quite a ways back, I’m surprised you found it necessary to not only comb my journals, but comb quite a few of them in an attempt to find things with which to negate my argument. I’m also surprised, and a bit disappointed, to find myself so compelled to justify them, but I am, so I will. I realize at this point that it probably will not change your opinion of me, or other girls in my situation, but maybe they will help you with making assumptions. First and foremost, I assure you I was of legal age at the time that picture was taken. Secondly, it was not posted to garner sexual attention. If I simply wanted people to look at my breasts, I could simply direct them to my set, or post more recent pictures. I posted that picture because I think it is a beautiful picture, in composition and subject form. That picture is artistic to me, and I knew I was posting it in a forum where it could be appreciated as such, and not discredited for involving nudity. It’s also an assumption that you are not qualified to make to suggest that all SGs (or myself, it’s unclear to which you are referring) are attempting to project any sort of misleading exterior, tough chick or otherwise, or that they are not open about their desire for an emotional connection.
“As offensive as your t-shirt? As offensive as a huge naked woman on your site (I’m sure you meant it as a compliment…as a testament to the sexiness of all huge woman everywhere). Please.”
What? I’m not sure what you’re talking about on either count, or what it has to do with our discussion. If you clarify I’ll try to respond.
“And that’s my point. If it was simply nude models. No biggie.”
This was your point? This part confuses me even more than the previous statement.
In regards to your next comment, first of all I don’t see with what my masturbation habits have to do with our discussion. I do not feel that viewing the human body for means of arousal is unhealthy. I do not feel that masturbation is unhealthy. You already knew the former and I suspect you could have guessed the latter, however dismissively. I don’t see what it accomplishes for you to dig up comments I’ve made in my journal and throw them back in my face, except to show that you’re floundering for an argument by trying to attack me personally. I’m trying to debate this with you without the need to know anything about your personal life, because this is about an issue that is larger than you or me. Also, I never said that SG was innocent or non-sexualized. I said from the beginning that many of the pictures may be taken with the intention of arousal. I don’t know how you gathered from that that I was presenting it as non-sexualized. I just said that that does not make it inherently without value.
“Really? Odd. I was hoping that an 17/18 year old girl, who bares her scratched breasts, would see my point of view.”
This is rude and dismissive and I’m disappointed to see you resort to speaking to me this way. While it looks as if you’re trying to simplify things and paint me as someone not to be taken seriously, I find it only makes me begin to have less respect for you and what you’re trying to say, and I doubt I’m the only person who feels this way.
There is nothing on my page that I am ashamed of, or I would not have linked to it here. My children should not come across that page until they are at least 18, at which point I would not be ashamed by them knowing anything that I have said or put on it.
“Comments like this:
“WHY I DID SG: for my 15 minutes, doncha know”
and this:
“GETS ME HOT: Flattery. Tell me I am special, tell me I am pretty.”
support my arguement. I respect your honesty. But if you need to be told your special, well…ask your parents.”
Again, you are resorting to personal attacks and using things I have said against me. The first remark is facetious. I am one out of 700 girls on an alt-porn website. That hardly qualifies me as famous. The second is not anything I am ashamed of. I have plenty of self-esteem. That doesn’t mean I don’t want my lover to make me feel unique and attractive. I believe most people desire the same. I simplified this sentiment in homage to a friend of mine. If you wish to continue using this as evidence against my credibility, I will not bother to respond.
“Finally, I’m not a member of SG. But many of your photos (and your feature in BOINK magazine (the college guide to carnal knowledge) – some more innocent modeling, huh?), would suggest far more suggestive things than what non-members can view. Can I infer that the members photos would support, rather than detract, from my arguements?”
Which arguments? No, I do not believe that any of my photos would support your argument that I have low self-esteem and am constantly seeking attention and approval. I am proud about every photo that members pay to see on the website, and I am proud of the photos that were published in Boink. They are soft-core photographs of a similar nature, and it’s funny that you would bring that magazine up as it was started by a friend at Boston University in an effort to combat one of the very things we are debating: the view of sexuality on the whole as something that is bad or wrong.

fenchurch, just emailed you via the contact form on your page. challah back.

Hands up if you have ever look at naked erotic pictures of girls?
Hands up if you have ever watched porn?
Yeah, i believe a lot of you have, at least a few times… why go get all high and mighty because a beautiful jewish lady decides to express her tradition in a TASTEFUL way, in the nude?
Seriously… i bet half of you look @ or have looked at porn anyway, why the hell is it any different just because Katya is representing your religion? Are you ashamed, because you have previously looked at porn and now all of a sudden you feel the need to be all high and mighty about how it is wrong, because it affects you personally?
Yeh. Thats what i thought.

Shtriemel in my humble opinion you are not going to convince them even though you are right.
I agree with you that they want to be looked at by others and that this draws them the only attention they will get.
What they will say though is “so what” I want to show off and whats wrong with that.
The reason you get MORONS like mufti defending it is that they see a hole in your armor.
They see that it is as a symptom and result of another problem (the porn and tattoos are results of their wanting to be seen and noticed) that you are attacking it.
Morons and dishonest people then have an opening to respond. They say: Aha! since you are attacking it only as a symptom –therefore Shtriemel is saying that IF I am a healthy person then there is nothing wrong if I do it! Its only bad IF Im doing it as a result of insecurity…
What comes out then is that in order for you to continue your argument you Shtiemel are forced to also claim that the person you are talking to in fact themselves are doing the porn as a result of their insecurity (otherwise what’s wrong?).
They then can whip out the “personal attack” card.
You see the cycle?

I was referring to the comment made by TLJN above Joe Schmo’s comment.

“The concept of “tasteful” porn is sleazy, dishonest”
Kinda like cocaine during the 80’s. I mean, rich people were doing it. SG is good marketing. It makes vulnerable/insecure/nar ccisitic girls to feel less sleazy (by providing them with the illusion that what they are doing is artful, freedom, creative, etc) for baring their bodies for horny strange men. They’re the new Playboy for our generation. Remember Playboy? Remember how your dad said he was only reading the articles? And then along came Hustler, Penthouse…and said, “Fuck Playboy, we’re honest, we know you want jack off…here’s some material”. So I agree with you LJN…it’s dishonest, and it’s porn.
But one more thing…
When I first heard about SG girls (about a year ago), it was from a friend who was going on and on about how REAL and YOUNG the girls on the site appeared to be. And ain’t that the truth about internet porn (the shadowy thing we all don’t want to admit but know exists). The porn sites that are the most successful find the youngest looking women (the more she looks like a silly teen, the better), so guys can fulfill their fantasies w/o getting arrested. SG feeds that hunger.
To Another Random SG girl….
Yup. When I first got the internet in ’99. I was doing the on-line porn thing like mad. Like a crazy man. Like all my friends. I can’t speak for them, but I had this really gross, end of the day feeling. I had that inner feeling that something ain’t right. And I’ve refused to visit all those free porn sites since. I just don’t do it. Now, I get off by posting comments on Jewlicious/Jewschool. And I go to sleep feeling better about myself. Sometimes 😉

Dear Sirs,
As the President of the United Wankers Alliance National Convention, I hereby detest and abhor the allegations that such persons as the Town Crier and Mobius are Wankers. UWANC has never been, nor will ever be, affiliated with such persons as Mobius or TTC.
Personally, we find it offensive to have Wankerdom bestowed upon such idiotic, babbling looney-liberal buffoons. Wankers have been a proud part of American and European history. It is our group’s aim to promote Wanker-sensitivity and raise cultural awareness of the Wanker contribution to civilization.
Your cruel and derisive mislabeling is only aiding the spread of bigotry. Mobius and The Town Crier are more appropriately labeled ‘Felchers’.
Yours,
Richard Tugger
President, UWANC

The DiGiTaL would like to know which SG girls are personally posting here. Please mention the name of your spread, so that the DiGiTaL can umm.. further investigate the issue, including your turn ons and what your ideal date is Last of the Jewish You know whats, U gave the DiGiTaL a great idea for his SB spread, he will use SHofars, I will wear one on my Shmekel ala RedHotCHiliPeppers tube sock. Yes yes I see the artistic value now…Don’t worry SG girls the DiGiTaL still likes you, but the Shtreimels words cut deep with the dagger of truth.

Shtreimel,
Sure, it is a big Yetzer hara -but there is a big difference.
There is one type of person who does something wrong privately and is embarassed – at least they know that its wrong and that they are caving in to the Yetzer Hara
– they have a chance later, its not over for them.
The other type is the one who does wrong things publicly and with a “high hand” who doesn’t even acknowledge how wrong it is. This type has almost no chance. – This is the type that we are seeing here. Its about this that I “find it important to point blame where blame belongs:
–> at the Jewish “Rabbis” and “Leaders” that have led our people on the path of destruction”
– indeed they have;
My G-d, will they pay for what they have caused.

Seriously, you know the funniest thing about this whole thing?
The person who runs this site has used his own personal link for everyone to click, to access suicidegirls, which enables him to get ARMY points from the suicidegirls shop, so he is obviously clued in on the site and has kept an active journal on the site the whole time he has been on there. He has favourites, and friends on the site. He has duped you ALL, trying to use his opinion that it katyas set is wrong, yet hes probably jerking off to all the other girls on the site, since thats all you think everyone does there. hahahah what a fucking joke. I dunno if he has told you guys if hes a member, maybe he has, i still think its hilarious he is getting army points from you guys if you joined from his link.
http://suicidegirls.com/member…
Lookie, he even has his picture up.

Wanker is the perfect term for this situation. Now lets get back to bashing Israel.
*takes a note

Read the DiGiTaL’s posts, get to know him better!!!

Wow, so Mob’s a Suicide Girl. I’ll tell ya right now, and I mean this, if Mob ever posts a link showing off his hairy breasts, I’ll hurl on my notebook. And then I’ll sue Jewschool.

Hey Joe Schmo,
Muffti doesn’t remember anyone following the pattern you mention at all. Muffti does remember criticizing a certain argument of Shtremiel’s that seemed patently invalid: that from the presence of tatoos and piercings indicating how fucked up his patients were, you could extrapolate and determine how fucked up the general populace of tatooed and pierced population was.
Then Muffti offered other reasons why people might choose to pose nude. You may not like them; you may think they never apply. But Muffti never called them a symptom of something else. In fact, it’s Shtremiel who was claiming that the desire to be seen nude or arouse strangers was a symptom of deeper psychological problems. Muffti isnt’ sure if that is true, but Shtremiel is certainly more of an expert on these matters that he is. Muffti would just prefer if the argument didn’t come down to Shtremiel telling us it was ‘well documented and proven’.
It’s funny that you announce that the problem is with porn itself, and then never bother saying what that problem is. If your argumentative strategy from before holds constant, you’ll probably just announce it as an ‘axiom’. (by the way, you should really look that word up.)

another Jewish SuicideGirl,
I saw his bio, and then had this horrible image of Mob following your lead and putting naked chest shots of himslef coding PHP or something. Blech. All in good fun.

Sorry, my bad.

HaZe’ev is really right.
Both blog, Mobius and a number of other people here are both sick and infect others with sickness.
Sickness ranging from self-guilt-anti-Jewish sentiments all the way to pornography.
On the one hand I thought maybe to post for those reading and drinking the sickness.
On the other hand those people can find other blogs and websites with good content.
Maybe I shouldn’t be wasting my time here – haZe’ev might have a point.

Oh yes, please leave Joe Schmo, please please please. Your absence would make visiting this website so much more enjoyable. As for the shrink, are you fucking kidding me? Daughter’s are out of control becuase of what they let their kids wear ??? Where the hell did you go to Medical School? What kind of doctor spends so much time fucking blogging on Jewschool anyway. It’s very hard to take you seriously.

“As for the shrink, are you fucking kidding me? Daughter’s are out of control becuase of what they let their kids wear ???”
No, daughter’s are out of control, and their clothes/lifestyle reflect that. And it amazes me that it has to get so bad until…and parent’s still don’t notice.
“Where the hell did you go to Medical School?”
Never said I did.
“What kind of doctor spends so much time fucking blogging on Jewschool anyway.”
Again, I never said I went to Medical School. But what kind of shrink spends his time blogging? Now that’s a good question. A shrink who divides his time between shrinking, composing music and web design. And I like it that way.
“It’s very hard to take you seriously”
That’s ok. If my words reach 2% of the Jewschool populace, I’ll be a happy man.

I guess when someone says their a shrink, I just assume their telling the truth. So good, at least your not part of any medical association. I was getting scared. Of course clothing can reflect that someone may be in trouble, but that’s not what you orginally said. Same for Men. I am sick of the men telling women on this post that they are posing because they are opressed. I love if, if men are not trying to opress women, then they are trying to tell them that they are opressed when they don’t do something that men approve of. Why don’t you leave those aspect’s of the conversation/dispute to women.

I repeat
YOU PEOPLE NEED JOBS!!!
ha and my spamblocker is…’employees’ which you people are certainly NOT

Shtremiel, that is one great idea. Finally 🙂

“Dude, you’re thick. I’m a shrink, therapist, a psychotherapist, family/adolescent counselor…”
No dude, your fucking thick. A shrink is always in reference to a psychatrist, at least that’s how it’s been since I’ve been working with shrinks and psychologists for about 10 years now. (Although, to your credit, I did a quick internet search and saw that it has just started to become more common to call any type of counsler a shrink) However, I think it’s really pretentious that you’d even call yourself a shrink, but that’s a whole other argument.
A thearapist, psychotherapist, and counsler are all very different postions, you should know that. They all get different levels of training. A school guidance counsler and a p.h.d have very different credentials but they can both counsel people in the same populations
. I think it’s very important to know what your credentials are , just in case someone does takes you seriously. It matters, at least to me, how long, and where, and with whom, people study any subject with. So, if you have your p.h.d in some sort of psychology, from a half way decent University then I’ll take you seriously…. for a second.

Organization,
Here’s the facts:
Masters Clinical Counseling – McGill University
Addtional training in:
Addictions
Suicidal Ideation
DSM 4
Child/Adolescent Abuse
Family/Adolescent therapist/shrink/counse lor/psychotherapist for 8 years and counting.
Fine Print:
In general, psychiatrists are not the first person I’d turn to for “talk therapy”. In general, most medical/psychiatry schools focus their attention on biological explanations for human suffering. Hence, pills can make us happy, or at least functional. I do not subscribe to that philosophy.

And Yesher Koach Shtreimel on your philosophy against pills, I am currently developing a research proposal that will address ADHD children with SLI… with 3 ex groups, meds only, therapy only, and combo group, its a logistical nightmare though trying to work out all the variables, but alas I digress, the masses want discussion on Porn vs. art…. so boobies boobies and more boobies

” I would however go to a p.h.d any day over someone with a master’s degree.”
It’s funny because I thought the same way before I entered the profession. The studies demonstrate, over and over and over again, that it’s the relationship b/w client and therapist that produces the best outcome. Education, at least in the clinical world, amounts to very little.
Research on the other hand…well thats an entirely different matter. And I’ve figured this out the hard way as a client of therapy.
“And as I guessed, his knowledge was ” limited” to a master’s”
If you think that “McGill” and/or a PhD defines the quality of a therapist Mr. Organization, you still haven’t got a clue.

” Sorry Organization, I didn’t realize I wasn’t allowed to talk 2 you, after all this is a general blog site, ”
For what it’s worth, I found his reaction to your post quite odd.

The studies demonstrate, over and over and over again, that it’s the relationship b/w client and therapist that produces the best outcome. Education, at least in the clinical world, amounts to very little. ”
Yes, studies do show what you’ve represented, but you still make claims that your not qualified to make on the human condition. I never said you couldn’t be an affective therapist, it still doesn’t mean your right about the claims you make. To your credit I am not very clear about my points, but I am also very busy at my job, and sometimes don’t really think my points out as well as I would like to before I have expressed them on the site.
Working in family court, and in hospital’s I counsel yabused and neglected children all the time with absolutely no graduate degree at all in the mental health field . I hope I am affective, and can make a difference in these children’s lives.. However, I think you should be making the sort of claims you do on the human condition/sexuality, with your level of expertise.
Having worked with people all over the spectrum of mental health, I don’t dispute that you can be affective, I just don’t think someone with a Master’s degree is certified to make the sort of statements you do. i just don’t think a master’s hold much weight. Which I will say over and over again.
And yes, I still operate under the assumption that the university you go to speaks volume s’s of your qualifications. Excuse me for being old fashioned.
This is the last I am going to write on this matter, I don’t usually post very often because I’m too busy trying to get children into livable situations.
Thank You
The End

Organization,
From someone so pretentious as you I would expect a better handle on the English language. In your 2nd to last piece you should have used “you are” or “you’re” instead of “your” (1st sentence), and you spelled “effective” as “affective” three times throughout the piece (so it obviously was a mistake of ignorance, not a typo). Why am I telling you this? Mostly because I find your comments annoying and your supporting arguments shallow, but also because you are criticizing Shtriemel for his so-called academic shortcomings when it is he and not you with the strong command of the English language. When the medium of communication is writing, credibility is lent to those with a mastery of it. And academic credentials can speak volumes, but your harping of the PhD is totally off base when the profession in question is as much about human connections as it is about knowledge. Now research – that’s a different matter entirely.

Thank you Sol.