Culture, Identity, Religion

Marry the Man Today

Remember how I promised more “Lies We Were Taught in Hebrew School” posts? Well, here we go, although this will take quite a different tack than the previous one.
Today, I’d like to take on the institution of marriage. I’ve been thinking a lot about marriage in the last five years or so, although not (unfortunately) because I’ve gotten any closer to it myself. However, between seeing many of my friends and relatives get hitched and watching the national debate over the nature of marriage in politics, it’s been hard to avoid thinking about the subject.
If you want to skip directly to the controversial point of this post, here it is: Rabbis should get out of the marriage business. However, if you read this sentence and then skip straight to the comments to call me a godless lefty pinko homosexual heretic (and, to be fair, you’d be about half-right) you will miss the point. Read on.

It might be helpful to take a step back and let you in on a few basic beliefs I’m working from:

  • I believe in the ideal of marriage as a monogamous, lifetime commitment between two people who both love each other and want to build a life together. (I’m not sure it’s for everyone, but I do believe it’s an ideal. But I encourage you to read The Trouble with Normal and The Ethical Slut for counter opinions.)
  • I believe that marriage is a critical point of contact for under- and unengaged Jews with Jewish tradition and community. In other words, many people who haven’t yet given a thought to Judaism in their lives suddenly seem interested in incorporating Judaism into their nuptials. This is an important opportunity for those of us in the establishment to put Judaism’s best face forward and send a loud, clear message to all Jews that they are needed, wanted, and have a stake in the Jewish people.
  • I believe that symbolism has more power than we often give it credit, and that politics can be put aside for the greater good. Some may call me an idealist.

And now an important fact: Halakhically speaking, a rabbi is not required for a Jewish wedding.
While I don’t particularly care for halakha myself, I understand that it is important to a great many of Jews out there in the world – included many who don’t follow it or even know the term. (Where I grew up, such Jews often joined Conservative synagogues, content in knowing they’d have a rabbi who would be observing Jewish law so they wouldn’t have to.) In the words of Tracy Rich of Judaism 101:

Because marriage under Jewish law is essentially a private contractual agreement between a man and a woman, it does not require the presence of a rabbi or any other religious official. It is common, however, for rabbis to officiate, partly in imitation of the Christian practice and partly because the presence of a religious or civil official is required under United States civil law.

(I know, this isn’t exactly an authoritative source, but it says it concisely. To walk through the rabbinic sources just to prove the absence of something would be a long and not particularly interesting process on a blog. But if anyone wants to come study Kiddushin in hevruta with me, I’d welcome the opportunity.)
So to be clear — Jewish law does not require an officiant, only witnesses. Secular law in the United States gives people designated as “clergy” by their religious hierarchies the authority to simultaneously create a civil marriage while officiating at a religious ceremony.
I think this is a bad law. Specifically, during the last half-dozen years of political debate over same-sex marriage, I have come to believe that the civil contract of marriage and the religious sacrament of marriage should be separated. As a gay activist, I won’t accept civil unions as a substitute for marriage if it’s only offered to gay people. However, if all politically-sanctioned marriages were civil unions (and therefore performed by a state functionary) — getting clergy out of the government contract business — I would fully support civil unions for all. Bishop Gene Robinson of the Episcopal Church has advocated for this as well, noting that other countries have been operating this way for years.
That’s a little bit secondary to the point I want to make, but I think it’s important to understand where I’m coming from.
At this point, I think a little diversion into my family’s history with marriage may be informative. My parents are both Jews, each born to two Jewish parents. My parents are still on their first marriage. Each of their parents’ marriages lasted decades until the death of a partner. However, in my generation of my extended family, not a single person who has married is married to a Jew. And when I talk about my extended family, I am really talking about not just my first cousins, but also my first cousins once removed, my second cousins, and so on. (Actually, my second cousin Alan may have a Jewish wife… I’ve only met her a couple of times and it hasn’t come up. But even if so, that’s the exception that proves the rule.)
Looking at all my married cousins, I see that most of them are raising Jewish children. And when I say they are raising Jewish children, I mean they are raising children who are actively engaged in Jewish life at home and in the community, although each family does it differently. I have cousins playing in the Maccabi games, cousins attending shul every week, cousins studying in traditional Hebrew schools and more.
Now to be fair, I also have cousins who are not raising Jewish children. A couple are raising their children in other faiths, and some aren’t raising their kids in any particular faith tradition.
I have one first cousin who is the product of a mixed-faith marriage — her dad’s first wife was Jewish, but that marriage didn’t last. Her mom, my aunt, was raised as something vaguely Christian but is So Not Into That. My cousin was raised with a Jewish identity but no real Jewish education. I think the family dabbled with attending a Unitarian-Universalist congregation for a bit, but that didn’t last.
So it was interesting to me that when this cousin decided to get married, she and her fiance (raised in some sort of Christian faith, but not particularly religious or Christian today) asked me to officiate at the wedding.
I am not a Rabbi. But as one of the most Jewishly-knowledgeable members of the family, I have often taken on the role of family religious leader, leading services for a couple of b’not mitzvah, running family sedarim, etc. I was flattered and immediately said yes and got to planning their ceremony with the couple.
It’s worth mentioning that because they got married in New Hampshire, and I live in Massachusetts, and I am not clergy, I was not able to perform the civil bits for them. My uncle became a Justice of the Peace so he could sign the necessary paperwork.
In the planning of the ceremony, my cousin and her fiance discussed “weaving their two faith traditions together for the ceremony.” I asked what those traditions were. The answers were: Jewish and vaguely Christian. So when I pressed them on what they thought this looked like, they mentioned a chuppah and the breaking of a glass on the Jewish side, and a unity candle and The Prayer of Saint Francis. In other words, they were looking for cultural traditions that are lovely but inoffensive and fairly non-theologically-specific. (In a neat twist that I’m not sure was based on a conscious decision on their part, the text they chose to accompany the lighting of the unity candle was from the Baal Shem Tov.)
The ceremony was lovely and it was a very positive experience for everyone involved. A couple of the groom’s family members mentioned they had never been to a Jewish ceremony and really liked the Jewish parts of what we did. I was quick to point out that this wasn’t a Jewish ceremony but yes, the chuppah is lovely. A couple of the couple’s friends mentioned they would be getting married within the year and were having trouble finding a rabbi who would be a part of their interfaith wedding – would I be interested?
And that set off the chain of thinking for me that is resulting in this post right here.
I believe that a large number – possibly the majority – of relatively unengaged Jewish people who want a rabbi to perform their interfaith wedding aren’t looking for a ketubah, or nissuin or kiddushin or anything like that. I believe they’re looking for an opportunity to say publicly that they are a part of a unique culture/civilization/religion that recognizes relationships in a particular way. And I believe they’re looking for someone who represents that culture/civilization/religion to say we value your membership.
(I recognize that there are also plenty of perfectly active and engaged Jewish people who marry spouses who aren’t Jewish. More on that later.)
Anyway, for folks like my cousins and their friends – some of whom may be halakhically Jewish, some of whom may not be – it doesn’t have to be a rabbi standing up at their wedding to validate their sense of membership in the tribe. But as long as there’s a general standard that rabbis perform weddings for Jews, that’s who they’re going to ask first.
So getting rabbis out of the marriage business at this point serves a dual purpose: it helps clarify the distinction between civil union and religious marriage, and it opens a door for interfaith couples to include Judaism in their marriage ceremonies without requiring some religious official giving their hashgacha to a relationship that may fall outside the bounds of their religious sensibility. (Obviously, if we establish a trained group of laypeople who can assist in the execution of Jewish marriages of all varieties, there will be among those plenty who still won’t participate in interfaith ceremonies. However, the barrier to entering this group is much lower, so it will be much easier to develop a cohort of “marriage madrichim” willing to work with interfaith couples.)
But what’s the point? Well, astute (and by astute, I mean “gay,” or if you prefer, “theatrically oriented”) readers might recognize the title of this post as a lyric by Frank Loesser from Guys and Dolls. You might remember the next line of the song is “…and change his ways tomorrow.”
Now I’m not actually advocating that we are in the business to change anyone’s ways. However, as I mentioned above, getting married is a major point of contact between most people and their religious traditions, and for many of them, it might be the last time they give the tradition a shot at impacting their lives. If we (and here, again, “we” means “the establishment” — suck it, Jewlicious, I revel in being a part of the solution) take advantage of this point of contact to establish the positive message that “there’s a place for all Jews in the Jewish community, well, we all come out ahead — and here the “we” is both “The Man” and “the folks getting married.”
A common hysterical reaction to this kind of logic goes like this: If we are nice to intermarried people then EVERYONE will marry out of the faith and Judaism will DIE and we’ll just be FINISHING WHAT HITLER STARTED!”
All I can say is this. One, I seriously doubt it. Two, if we engage Jewish people at every point in their lives instead of slamming the door in their face, we are more likely to see a thriving, living Judaism in future generations. If we just keep tightening our boundaries, Judaism might live on for generations, but it might all live within one square block in Brooklyn.
Now, I mentioned before that I think this solves a problem for unengaged and underengaged Jews. What about those of us who are Jews, fully participating in Jewish life, knowledgeable and all that, but who still end up with non-Jewish partners? Yes kids, it does happen. Well, again, we only benefit from keeping the doors open. Marrying out of the faith didn’t seem to hamper Moses’s ability to engage with Jewish life, so I’m not sure why it might hamper ours. Granted, I’ve heard some midrash implying that his children left the faith, but his brother’s kids rose all the way to the top and they didn’t end up contributing much more. And as a recent study on intermarried families showed, when the Jewish community includes intermarried families in Jewish life, the children of those families are twice as likely to engage in Jewish living themselves. In other words, when we treat intermarried families the same way we treat endogamous families, their kids affiliate at the exact same levels. And engaged Jews who marry non-Jews are probably more conscious of how they want Judaism to function in their families than under/unengaged Jews who marry Jews.
So there’s my big idea. Sure, it’s going to cut into the rabbis’ livelihoods, and we don’t want our rabbis starving on the street, so I promise not to tell anyone that we don’t need rabbis for funerals, either. But ultimately, I believe that getting rabbis out of the marriage business might be a way to save the Jewish people from stagnation and extinction.

41 thoughts on “Marry the Man Today

  1. Bravo! 🙂 There’s much here which resonates for me — and I say that despite the fact that I’m starting my fifth year of school toward becoming someday (God willing) ordained as a rabbi. I’m not going to rabbinic school because I want to do weddings; I’ve been doing weddings for years, even without smicha.
    The relative furor over the question of gay marriage these last several years has convinced me that a separation between civil marriage and religious ceremony could be a really good thing. There’s no reason why a religious leader should need state sanction in order to sanctify a couple’s bond. I would be delighted if those two things were disentangled: a couple would go to the courthouse to get their legal paperwork taken-care-of, and then work with the officiant of their choice (clergy or lay) to bring about the ceremony which is meaningful for them.
    And I wish more people understood that a rabbi doesn’t “marry” the couple — if anything, the rabbi may create sacred space within which the couple commits themselves to one another in the presence of witnesses, but thoughtful and well-trained laypeople can do that too.
    While I’m at it, thanks for your cogent points about intermarriage. These are viewpoints I see all too rarely expressed, and I don’t understand why, because everything you’re saying on that subject seems so obviously sane to me.

  2. David – Excellent post! This bit, “godless lefty pinko homosexual heretic,” cracked me up. We should discuss things like this post more often, and I’d love to study text with you.

  3. Dlevy, I heart you. this was a great post. As someone that will eventually and inevitably marry a non-jew (and has no intention or desire of having him convert just to marry me), I’ve been giving this issue a LOT of thought and I’ve come to many of the same conclusions as you, albeit not nearly as succinct. So thanks for having my back. I assure you I’ve got yours.

  4. when the Jewish community includes intermarried families in Jewish life, the children of those families are twice as likely to engage in Jewish living themselves.
    Does not equal:
    In other words, when we tread intermarried families the same way we treat endogamous families, their kids affiliate at the exact same levels
    If children of intermarried families are less than half as likely to engage in Jewish living as endogamous families(I don’t have the number handy, but whatever it is you didn’t site it either) then doubling their rate still doesn’t equal the endogamous family rate.
    Also, that argument ignores the percentage of Jews who marry other Jews because they know they will be excluded from the Jewish community otherwise. I don’t know what that percentage is, I suspect it’s not high, but it’s not 0 either. You can’t just ignore that factor while evaluating possible outcomes for the children.

  5. First of all, neither gay nor theatrically oriented, I was able to place the title of the post.
    Secondly I am a Justice of the Peace and have officiated at several “mixed” marriages. Strangers pick my name off of a long list of JPs they receive when they apply for their marriage license at City Hall. I can marry anyone, anywhere in the state of CT.
    I have been told that I have been chosen because, while she was marrying a good catholic girl, it made her mother feel better that she was getting married by some one with the last name Weinberger!
    I have also counseled a few couple through the process of Ketubah. Thinking marrying a non-Jew made this tradition off limits to them, I steered them toward caspicards.com where they can find interfaith and gender neutral texts.
    Thirdly, some people have expressed that they find it hypocritical to be a Jewish educator and a JP, and they can’t believe that I would “perform” an interfaith marriage. I agree with you; I am officiating at civil unions. By law, two people (opposite or same sex in the great state of Connecticut!) who choose, of their own free will to marry, can do so. Who am I to deny them that right? As a JP, I ask no questions. I just sign the form.
    To my knowledge, neither do you need a rabbi for B’nai Mitzvah. Just by hitting puberty an adolescent becomes B’nai Mitzvah which means that they can now perform the mitzvah of teffilin and torah blessings/reading, counting toward a minyan, among other things. In the US we have taken B’nai Mitzvah to mean a celebration of publicly participating in one of these mitzvahs for the first time. While there happened to be a rabbi present for my son’s Bar Mitzvah, my girls each had Bat Mitzvah celebrations where no clergy was present. But they were no less meaningful or “official.”
    Finally, while I am in agreement with you, I leave you with one last story. When my family and I moved to Panama for 3 years in 1997, presenting our ketubah to the Panamanian rabbi was not proof enough that we were Jewish. He wanted to know the name of the rabbi who married us, and the name of the rabbis who married our parents (!) in order to gain entrance into his community.
    We must be mindful of the fact that how we choose to interpret things in our community here, might not translate well out there in the world, and, as wondering Jews, we never know when we are going to have to pack our bags.

  6. Hear, hear! I’m not sure I see a fundamental difference between the marriage of a non-religious Jew and a non-religious non-Jew and the marriage of two non-religious Jews, and yet many people object to officiating at the former and no one objects to the latter.

  7. The Wikipedia article you linked to says “The lighting of a unity candle is a relatively recent addition to the traditional wedding ceremony.” Ha! I love it. It’s what this book (which everyone should read, though it might at least momentarily make you not want to get married) calls “traditionalesque”.

  8. Is it because it’s fairly easy to define who is a Jew under most definitions, but it’s very arbitrary to define who is or isn’t religious versus non-religious?

  9. Oops . . . .I meant that as a response to I’m not sure I see a fundamental difference between the marriage of a non-religious Jew and a non-religious non-Jew and the marriage of two non-religious Jews

  10. Avi writes:
    Also, that argument ignores the percentage of Jews who marry other Jews because they know they will be excluded from the Jewish community otherwise. I don’t know what that percentage is, I suspect it’s not high, but it’s not 0 either.
    If you’re counting Jews who marry Jews exclusively for that reason (and would otherwise marry non-Jews or marry no one), I suspect 0 is a very good approximation. Jews who care enough about whether they’re excluded from the Jewish community that they will make major life decisions on that basis are likely also to have Judaism or Jewishness as a significant part of their lives, and therefore to be drawn to partners who are similarly inclined.

  11. Jonathan1:
    For sure, it’s very fuzzy. But it does seem odd that a non-Jewish partner is expected to convert and therefore to take on a certain commitment to Judaism, while the same commitment is not expected from partners who are already Jewish.

  12. Secular law in the United States gives people designated as “clergy” by their religious hierarchies the authority to simultaneously create a civil marriage while officiating at a religious ceremony.
    I think this is a bad law. Specifically, during the last half-dozen years of political debate over same-sex marriage, I have come to believe that the civil contract of marriage and the religious sacrament of marriage should be separated.

    Agreed. For this reason, I think that, all things being equal, I would rather have a non-clergyperson sign the civil marriage certificate at my upcoming wedding, to make this distinction clear. But all things are not equal: the state where we’re getting married only allows clergy and judges to officiate, and there will be many rabbis and cantors in attendance at the wedding and no judges, so I think the competing desire to involve family and friends wherever possible is going to win out. If we were bringing in officiants from the outside, the calculus would be different.

  13. dlevy, I’m all with you, but I don’t understand why you have to write rabbis out of it to achieve your ends.
    BZ – I’ve been saying that for years! It’s ludicrous that people who are Jewish in nothing but name are “defenders of the faith” for marrying other Jews, while those Jews who are involved and committed and “marry out” are okhrei Israel.
    “I am no slanderer of Israel, but you and all your father’s house are”.

  14. There are many Reform, Reconstructionist and non-denominational rabbis and cantors who will do interfaith marriages precisely because they believe that in doing so the couple may be brought closer to Jewish life.
    Cf, for example, the “find a rabbi” feature on interfaithfamily.com
    I’m not getting what the new idea is here.

  15. Thanks so much for this post. I get really tired of the assumptions made about interfaith families and the decisions we make, particularly the idea that the only way to get through to us that Judaism is important is to exclude and ostracize us until we see the light. (This is how my father’s family reacted to his marriage to my mother before her conversion, and the extent to which that alienated my father had a lot more to do with how we were raised than the fact that my mother grew up nominally Christian.)
    My son is being raised far more Jewishly than I was, even though my husband has not converted. In fact, I think being intermarried makes me more motivated to make sure our home looks and feels like a Jewish home and that we are connected to a Jewish community outside my own family. I can’t just take it for granted, as I could have if I had married another secular Jew.
    Neal, the fact that you need a search function on a Web site dedicated to interfaith families instead of just asking your local rabbi tells you those rabbis and cantors are a distinct minority.
    And while I respect the reasons people give for not wanting to officiate at interfaith weddings, it’s also hard to be part of a congregation where you know that the very existence of your family (you know, the people who you love and have chosen to make a life with) is considered unfortunate at best and tragic at worst.

  16. Em- thanks for the reply. I think I wasn’t clear- my mention of interfaithfamily.com was meant only as one example of what I see as a fairly widespread phenomenon, which is Reform, Recon, AJR, Renewal and other rabbis officiating at interfaith weddings for precisely the outreach reasons mentioned in the post above.
    True, many liberal Reform rabbis won’t do so (the statistics I’ve seen indicate about half), but in my experience (yes, I’m a rabbi, who likes doing weddings but it’s not a big part of what I do), it’s a lot easier to find a rabbi for an interfaith wedding than it is to find a rabbi (or cantor, or Jewish chaplain, or educated lay person) who will officiate on Shabbat before it ends (just as an example, but it’s a call I get fairly frequently.)

  17. BZ- in the state where you are getting married I assume that they allow a justice of the peace to officiate- and getting that certification mainly requires having a friend who is willing to stop off at a court house in that state during business hours.

  18. “it’s a lot easier to find a rabbi for an interfaith wedding than it is to find a rabbi who will officiate on Shabbat”
    If Ezra could see us now 🙂

  19. Dlevy,
    I agree that we don’t need Rabbis for marriage, and as you said, we don’t need Rabbis for burials. We don’t need Rabbis for Judaism. Judaism doesn’t need Rabbis, Rabbis need Judaism. But as far as fazing Rabbis out of the picture, to be a realist, does that seem likely? Even movements who have fazed the “old Rabbis” out, just replaced them with there own new “Rabbis,” who then fill the very same role. The core of the problem is “Professional Jews” – not Jewish professionals, but people who make Judaism their profession. They inevitable care more for their paychecks and their institutions, then they do for Jews. But as I said before fazing out Rabbis is not very likely. My suggestion is, rather then stripping Rabbis of their titles and duties, we should all become Rabbis, but not “professional Jews”. This would accomplish the same thing, and allow us to have some knowledge of the religion, culture and people we profess to belong to.

    1. Saki writes:
      Even movements who have fazed the “old Rabbis” out, just replaced them with there own new “Rabbis,” who then fill the very same role.
      To which movements are you referring? I know of no Jewish movements that have even attempted to phase out rabbis. I hope you haven’t so deeply internalized the idea in the Orthodox world that rabbis ordained by the liberal Jewish movements are something other than legitimate rabbis (such that they warrant scare quotes) that you think the liberal movements themselves saw themselves as doing away with rabbis.

  20. They inevitable care more for their paychecks and their institutions, then they do for Jews.
    Of course, all these Rabbis with other professions would obviously care for nothing other than “Jews”. No paycheck problems at all, huh? (And, Saki, since you sound like a chabadnick, I should remind you that Chabad shlichim are nothing less than professionals, even though they have as much professional training as a six-year-old otter.)

  21. BZ writes:
    “I know of no Jewish movements that have even attempted to phase out rabbis.”
    Then you need to brush up on Jewish history. Karaites are one example of a movement (and by the way not necessarily liberal) who clearly attempted to phase out Rabbis and their Oral Law.
    BZ writes:
    “To which movements are you referring?”
    I was not referring to movements, like the Karaites, who rejected Rabbis and the Oral Law, per se. As you quoted me, I was speaking of “movements who have fazed the “old Rabbis” out, just replaced them with there own new “Rabbis,” who then fill the very same role.” There are many movements who did just that. The Hassidim clearly fazed out of the “old Rabbis” and their establishment and replaced them with their own “Rabbis” and establishment. The Reform movement did the same to the existing the formal rabbinic establishment, the “old Rabbis,” and replaced them with their new “Rabbis” and establishment. Even the ashkenazic legalists, those “Old Rabbis” themselves, where not as ancient as they assumed. Yemmenite and other Musta’arabim find them disturbingly inauthentic.
    But I was not suggesting replacing any Rabbis, nor removing them from their roles – no matter how dubious and unnecessary some of those roles are. I was not pushing for a less or more liberal Judaism, it is what it is, and most definitely not pushing for any of the ridiculous “movements” (scare quotes on “movements” to hint at bowel “movements”). These movements never want to replace the title of “Rabbi”, that is their ticket to leadership, they want to replace who gets to play the “Rabbi.” I have no beef with titles, call yourself whatever you want, but I am looking to a time when we can stop playing these games, a time where “no longer will a man teach his neighbor and brother, saying, ‘Know God,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” (Jeremiah Chapter 31:33) I simply cannot see that happening by lowering Rabbis – it seems more sensible to educate the rest of us.

  22. Amit writes:
    “Of course, all these Rabbis with other professions would obviously care for nothing other than “Jews”. No paycheck problems at all, huh?”
    Yes I don’t think they should accept a cent. I think they will avoid a whole lot of problems, and we will be all the better for it. Perfect? no. But I am not looking for perfection – I am looking for some humanity – instead of a sterile inhuman institution and the humans that serve it.
    Amit writes:
    “And, Saki, since you sound like a chabadnick, I should remind you that Chabad shlichim are nothing less than professionals”
    Well that is a very astute comment. Chabadniks have a policy to encourage those men born into chabad families to obtain smichah. The result is a vast majority of them have the title “Rabbi.” While I am sure this empowers them in a lot of situations, the bottom line is they have set up the title “shliach” in its place. This is not what I was waxing poetic about. The “Shliach”, in his official capacity, in his designated territory, with “his” Ball HaBattim (supporters) does the sermons, does the weddings, does the funerals, pulls the paycheck, serves the institution, “owns” the territory. And they are, as you said, “nothing less than professionals”
    “even though they have as much professional training as a six-year-old otter.”
    Six year old otters are very well trained. They mature between 2-5 years.
    Why? have you ever used their rabbinical services?
    Maybe you should write Chabad international and ask for a refund.
    In my experience they have an above average knowledge of theology, a below average knowledge of history, and for the most part a very healthy attitude towards other Jews.
    for example, they wouldn’t call you a six year old otter.

  23. And so, Saki, what should these people live off of, and how will they obtain their knowledge, and who will pay for their schooling and the parnassah of their families? Unless you envision whole communities of people who are not only knowledgeable enough but also feel competent enough, your battle cry against honest Rabbis who care for people enough to accept the meager salary that comes with it (really meager! even the highest paid rabbi doesn’t even come close to a Goldman exec., which is ostensibly what he or she could have been) is plain hypocrisy.
    Oh, and knowing the Tanya does not a theologian make. Or an otter.

  24. Amit,
    Without the need to fulfill those roles of wedding-manager, burying-observer, sermon-izer there is not much need to be a “Rabbi” in exclusion of everything else. If we are all Rabbis than we can all just go and get a job, and we will possibly have a richer life. And I love honest Rabbis who care enough to accept the meager salary that comes with it, they are trying to make a difference in peoples lives within the given situation, I have no battle cry against them. I want us to join them. I am sure THOSE Rabbis will welcome the company, and be glad to find another meager salary to work with, when their whole community takes a full role in their Judaism, to create a sincere network of life between them, without needing the top heavy dependance. But until then Bravo Honest Rabbis!
    And yes Chabadniks are not theologians but I didn’t say they where.
    The Tanya and Chabad Chassidut may be disagreeable to you but it is almost all theology, they spend a huge amount of their day learning it, let’s just say the result is an above-average familiarity with theology. Even if you will insist they do not put independent thought into it, they are at least more familiar with theological concepts than most.

  25. Saki, and what happens when someone from outside the network needs religion-oriented help? Time consuming help? ISn’t it more convenient to have someone whose job it is to help others?

  26. really meager! even the highest paid rabbi doesn’t even come close to a Goldman exec., which is ostensibly what he or she could have been
    But, wait, the kind of person who wants to become a rabbi usually wouldn’t want to work a job like Goldman exec., regardelss of the salary.

  27. As one who began his career in the rabbinate and still has the “credential” even if it is not my current career, permit a few comments on some of this discussion:
    Of course, the comments about the absence of a halachic need for a rabbinic officiant and the historic reason that clergy are representatives of the state are correct. But the issue being addressed here has more to do with the affective rabbinic role in weddings which emerged when the community social strictures against intermarriage had begun to erode. Once upon a time, the community didn’t need rabbis to discourage intermarriage; there were social implications for such choices. Once that began to erode, families hoped the “rabbi” could be the symbolic vehicle to stop what the community in practice no longer seemed to want to. I daresay that prior to that [and to many today], the rabbinic role was probably as symbolic as the huppah is today. [Consider the many who see the “rabbi” as part of their “check-list” along with photographer, caterer, and florist – and surely paid less than any of them. [Incidentally, in the days when i was in the active rabbinate, I never charged to do a wedding, although I have no criticism of those who do. If I were to charge for my time as a professional service, no one would pay that much and all would be shocked if they considered the value of my time.]
    When I do officiate at weddings, I meet with couples on many occasions since there is definitely a value in helping couples transition into a good marriage. Wedding planning is filled with decisions and often surprises, and mediating these decisions over time can help. I don’t believe that this role is restricted to clergy but I have yet to meet a Justice of the Peace who believes that they have any responsibility to help a couple succeed beyond the moment of their public affirmation. And while I appreciate that this discussion has addressed questions of interfaith weddings and same sex unions, I daresay that all who choose to make a lifetime affirmation, in whatever legal system, should go through such a process. The issue shouldn’t be who “does” the wedding – after all a wedding is the symbolic/ritual beginning of a marriage and that marriage is what should be the focus. Symbol is important and meaningful, but not as important as the substance of the relationship.

  28. Great post! FYI, Jewish Milestones (http://www.jewishmilestones.org/) trains Jewish lay people to perform life-cycle events, including weddings, so there is a movement already towards what you’re discussing. Also internet discussion boards (and I think specifically of the kvetch bulletin boards on indiebride.com) offer a fantastic repository of ritual material for Jewish-interfaith weddings, in particular, so that people can take charge of their own ceremonies (and this is a peer-to-peer advising model).
    I did my first Jew-on-Jew wedding two years ago for friends because they couldn’t find a rabbi who would marry them a half-hour before Shabbat (and I ended up doing havdalah leading into the ceremony). It was a fantastic experience for everyone. I live in a quite small rural town with very few Jews now, and our entire Jewish community here is lay-led, so everyone in the community with ritual knowledge ends up doing events of some kind. This Sept. I’ll be doing my first baby-naming for friends. Which is to say that in super-non-urban places the idea of lay-led lifecycle events has been going on for quite some time.

    1. Erika M. writes:
      I did my first Jew-on-Jew wedding two years ago for friends because they couldn’t find a rabbi who would marry them a half-hour before Shabbat (and I ended up doing havdalah leading into the ceremony).
      Do you mean a half hour before the end of Shabbat?

  29. oops–yes, I meant to say “before Shabbat ENDED” obviously. Or I wouldn’t have done Havdalah.

  30. Someone should tell 6th and I (the historic shul in downtown DC). They’re giving away a wedding package. And while they offer the giveaway to any couples, “no matter your level of Jewish observance,” they do require a Jewishly-ordained officiant:
    “Sixth & I warmly welcomes interfaith couples and same-sex couples; however, the couple must provide a rabbi or other ordained Jewish clergyperson to participate in the officiation.”
    http://www.sixthandi.org/kosherpolicy.aspx?_url=Wedding.htm

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