A conversation with Pastor Cue Jn’Marie, a former Virgin Records rapper, turned evangelist, activist and organizer, and Rabbi Dr. Aryeh Cohen, of the American Jewish University and Bend the Arc: Jewish Action, about the history and context of the Black Lives Matter movement, and the movement to defund the police in Los Angeles. The killing of George Floyd mobilized the largest mass movement in the history of this country. However, the Movement for Black Lives has been organizing since the killing of Trayvon Martin in 2012 and is the continuation of the long struggle for black Americans. How is the movement to defund the police a response to this moment? What does a future without police or the present practices of incarceration look like for all people?