40 thoughts on “And The Winner Is…

  1. Fucking jew suck. Why dont u all move to fucking israel where u all belong??? And this graph where it shows Who won: 100% jews bla bla it just shows how fucking retarded and pathetic jews are.
    Lets hope new Hitler will come :)))
    btw ive heard that Kerry is ultranacionalist omfg ROFL KTHXBYEDIRIRLNOOBS

  2. Man… you must really be bored down there in Vilnius. What does Belgium have to do with Lithuania anyway? Is this what you do for kicks? Or has no one told you yet about the delights to be had with one of the willing local sheep?

  3. have you ever noticed that people who harbor hatred towards jews can never express themselves coherently or put forward a point that actually makes sense?

  4. @mobius i have a point, im sick of jews who doesnt and never will respect a country where they live, they live in my country but they speak hebrew. They think their nation is chosen by the god or smth… and u can find alot of them in every country (especially in rich countries :))

  5. @mobius i have a point, im sick of jews who doesnt and never will respect a country where they live, they live in my country but they speak hebrew. They think their nation is chosen by the god or smth… and u can find alot of them in every country (especially in rich countries :))

  6. if both men’s reflexive support for both the worst political elements in Israeli society (Sharon, the wall, etc.) and the mindless American Jewish supporters of said policies can be construed to be “good for Jews”, than I suppose Jews win either way in this election.
    personally, though, I would like to see some actual leadership on this issue. Clinton might have been a bit of a meglomaniac re: this issue and also a bit too eager to gloss over the very real failures and shortcomings of Oslo and the tentative Camp David plan, but at least the guy tried to push for peace.
    I guess I’m being naive, though – in such a close election, there’s no room for alienating the Jewish vote.
    But Michigan is a swing state, too – what about Dearborn aka Little Arabia, Detroit, etc.?? I identify as Jewish, and I know there are valid concerns regarding anti-semitism in the Muslim world, but I got to say I hope that as the Muslim immigrant community grows in power and influence we will see a little more balance in American political life. Real friends give constructive criticism; therefore it’s an open question if we are really being a “friend” to Eretz Yisrael right now.

  7. and oh yeah, PS, to the Belgian anti-semite on vacation with nothing better to do – can you and Avi Green go lock yourselves in a dark hole somewhere and spend the rest of eternity arguing pointlessly? it would make reading this blog much more pleasant…

  8. its rainy outside and ill keep flaming until i get ban. no im not anti-semite its jews who doesnt respect us.

  9. mobius i have a point, im sick of jews who doesnt and never will respect a country where they live, they live in my country but they speak hebrew. They think their nation is chosen by the god or smth… and u can find alot of them in every country (especially in rich countries :))
    xenophobia n: an irrational fear of foreigners or strangers
    racist n: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
    why does speaking one’s native language amount to disrespecting the country in which you reside? you’re in lithuania right now? what language are you speaking there between you and whomever you’ve travelled there with?
    and as for jews thinking their nation is chosen by god, are you a christian? if so, read your bible…

  10. No way. Israel is way cooler than Belgium! I mean even the French make fun of Belgium. The French!!!
    They all listen to that “trance” crap.

  11. im tourist i dont live there. i also h8 muslims who wear that fucking headscarfs in my school. am i anti-allahist now? :mrgreen: 😀

  12. yeah but the israelis listen to that trance crap too.
    btw, dear belgian waffle, we’re not LGF — we don’t ban people we disagree with from our site. but you’re not pushing anyone’s buttons here so i don’t know what you think you’re going to get out of hanging around here. fools like you are a dime a dozen. your antagonism don’t phase us. it’s just laughable. you don’t make us look bad, nor feel bad about ourselves. you just make yourself look bad, and represent your people as being racist and xenophobic. i’m curious though. if you love belgium so much, is that what you want the face of belgium to be before the world: one of hatred and intolerance? personally, i put greater stock in being compassionate, kind, and not just tolerant, but accepting and welcoming of other cultures. that’s what makes america such a remarkable country, for example.
    nationalism is a dead horse.

  13. so you hate people who practice a religion other than your own? what is your religion? orthodox christianity? is this what you’ve learned from the teachings of jesus? to hate people? i don’t much think jesus would approve.

  14. like i’d care what jews think about belgium, we have so many of them here …………………..
    “that’s what makes america such a remarkable country, for example. ”
    americans are nation? cant stop laughing, brb

  15. russians and greeks r only orthodox in europe
    an example why jews and muslims makes me mad:
    a muslim come into restaunt, usually all visitors take off their hats and/or scarfs once they are in but a muslim has some fuckin right to ignore all other people and their traditions

  16. we, a nation? oh heavens no. we only liberated your country from ze germans. ok, i’m done entertaining you now. you are clearly an impenetrable wall of idiocy. now i’m just going to ignore you.
    ladies and gents, do not feed the trolls.

  17. “but a muslim has some fuckin right to ignore all other people and their traditions”
    According to the laws of Islam, women are required to cover their hair. What gives you the right to deny people the freedom to practice their religion?
    Article 19 of the Belgium Constitution states that “Freedom of worship, public practice of the latter, as well as freedom to demonstrate one’s opinions on all matters, are guaranteed, except for the repression of offenses committed when using this freedom.” Source
    If you don’t like your country’s constitution, you should move somewhere else.

  18. u should go and fuck urself. btw if u didnt knew french gov already made a law which makes wearing scarfs in public places(ie schools) illegal :)))
    gogo france…

  19. I’d like to thank our Belgian friend for showing what a class act Europe is and always has been. (Recommended reading: “King Leopold’s Ghosts”). But I do take issue with Mobius regarding nationalism. The illiterate waffle in no way represents every aspect of nationalism, only one version in its most extreme. In its more benign forms, nationalism can help promote vigor and great accomplishments in a nation, as well as solidarity in times of stress, which can result in acts of admirable altruism. In fact, love of country or nation is indispensable in teaching people to care for one another. The typical anti-nationalist alienated intellectual claims to care for all humanity, but we often find that they don’t really care for anyone at all. A more natural and reliable way to learn to care is gradually – start with family and friends, then locality, then nation, and eventually global. Of course, we all know about the destructive possibilities of nationalism. In the end, nationalism should be viewed as an essential but potentially dangerous tool – not to be discarded, but to be used properly.
    And Jordan – comparing Avi Green to the imbecilic anti-semite is really disgusting. You may not like Avi’s views or the way he expresses them, but he’s miles away from Belgium (literally and metaphorically).

  20. i hate doing it, cuz i don’t like to censor people on the site, but he crossed the line with some of his remarks so, i deleted the comments by cock waffle in all the threads except this one, and blocked his IP.
    sigh. it’s not like i’m charles johnson or anything here, blocking people whose political views differ from my own. but … some views just ought not to be tolerated.

  21. I met 2 Belgiums in Barcelona last summer. Both were educated, middle class, “regular guys”. Both thought the Mossad orchestrated 9/11.
    And incidentally, the Belgium antisemite reminds me more of Mr. John Brown than Avi Green.
    sigh. it’s not like i’m charles johnson or anything here, blocking people whose political views differ from my own. but … some views just ought not to be tolerated.
    Um, the only problem with anarchism is that, sigh, it never, ever works, hrumph, snort.

  22. Oh sigh…hair-flip…and [sound of hollow tortured self-righteous hipster activist’s soul wrenching…] that’s prejudice. Downright exclusionary. And notably very unanarchistic of you! Um, er marginalizing people isn’t cool, man. Let me out of your ghetto, er, I mean, um, column. Whatevio. I’m Audi 5000.

  23. Mobius:
    You say: “sigh. it’s not like i’m charles johnson or anything here, blocking people whose political views differ from my own. but … some views just ought not to be tolerated.”
    I’m a little surprised here. After all, your above statement does contradict itself. Why explain your blocking the anti-semite on the grounds of not tolerating his political views? Why not say that your’e blocking him because he’s incoherent, and because he clearly has no intention of engaging in any kind of debate or discussion, of being entertaining or funny, or even to defend a point of view, but only intends to insult? I think this is closer to the actual reason you deleted him.

  24. I’m a little surprised here.
    It’s not as confusing when interpreted as a decision predicated more on ‘style’ than ‘substance’. For instance he claims to have had me ‘marked’ after my first posting but I would bet he doesn’t remember the substantive content of that posting. Apparently though, I’m (guessing) a right-wing, Bush-loving, born-again-orthodox, Kahanist because well…sigh.
    Like a transexual, Mobius considers himself to be transgressive when in actuality he is making an extreme effort to conform to the blandest form of status quo-type thinking. Giggle.

  25. yeah, on this point I agree with J… Being a believer in the American model (true freedom of speech, at least in theory) as opposed to the Israeli/European model (freedom of speech doesn’t apply to intolerant hate speech), I don’t see any reason not to tolerate an anti-semite on a jewish website. I do see a reason not to tolerate persistent insults and personal attacks that add nothing to the discussion.
    I’ve been reading this blog religiously for many months and just decided to join the conversation (thus I have a lot to say!) So, regarding Mr. Green – while he does occasionally give us a valuable window into the thinking of the most reverse-racist, right-wing, Bush-and-Sharon-supporting Jews, 99% of the time he’s so mindlessly reactionary and insulting and flame-ish that he fails to add anything. So by your own standard, J, he should probably be banned.
    I have an alternative idea, though, Mr. Mobius – why don’t you make the guy part of Jewschool so he can give the extreme right-wing perspective? (On Israel at least, he doesn’t seem to be too far to right of say, Ronen). I wonder if he would ever have anything to say, or if he just lives to react and insult… probably I shouldn’t even be giving him this much attention.
    As for John Brown resembling an anti-semite, frankly he and Assaf are the only people on this site I consistently agree with and they make me very proud to be a Jew (although Mobius, I appreciate you playing not only the open-minded host but also the role of the often conflicted guy in the middle, even if I disagree with you sometimes… Orthodox Anarchist is very cool too, in an appropriately self-indulgent personal blog kinda way). Jews who call other Jews “self-hating” and goyim “anti-Semitic” because they dare to disagree with Israel’s policies or even the tenets of Zionism have no place in a reasonable debate.

  26. j — you’re right that that is closer to the truth; but i mean, as jordan said, avi should be banned if that’s the sole criteria i’m going on. so, i would say, it’s a combination of the fact that he’s a cock plus the fact that he’s an antisemite, which has led me to ban him. avi’s merely the former, so i let him stay.
    as for you jonny — maybe if you spent less time attacking me and more time debating my ideas i’d give you more credit. but since you’re more inclined to talk trash than to engage me, you find yourself regarded as irrelevant.
    “Um, the only problem with anarchism is that, sigh, it never, ever works, hrumph, snort.”
    guess again.
    “Mobius considers himself to be transgressive when in actuality he is making an extreme effort to conform to the blandest form of status quo-type thinking.”
    why’s that? because i’ve decided, rather than allow myself to be endlessly frustrated by people who are only interested in instigating fights with me as opposed to carrying on a respectful conversation, i’m going to ignore them and retain my sanity and peace of mind? who’s imposing impressions on who here? i didn’t even define what the column was .. so nice of you to assume with your prejudice that i’m a “liberal conformist” or whatever assanine contention you’re putting forth. stop psychoanalyzing me and talk about the articles on the site or piss off. this is why you’re in the “i could give a shit what you think” column.

  27. Mobius and Jordan:
    I think the vast difference between Avi Green and the anti-semitic troll (besides the fact that one is not an anti-semite) is self-evident. But if not, let’s look at my criteria. Avi is not incoherent; does engage in debate; is entertaining (OK, eye of the beholder here, but he gets off some good zingers, albeit at your expense); certainly defends a point of view; and, something I left out earlier, stays on topic. Yes, there are also insults, but as I said, the problem should be if a poster posts ONLY insults. In any case, regarding insults, there are few clean (typing) hands on this site.
    Concerning the “self-hating” argument – no, criticism of Israel, its policies, Zionism, particular Jews, or even Jews in general is not in itself anti-semitism. But when someone judges any of the above using criteria that that someone would never apply to himself or other individuals or groups, that’s a pretty good tip-off that he’s an anti-semite, and, if Jewish, a self-hating Jew as well. Just to use one example from this website – if an Israeli soldier shoots a Palestinian girl dead, and the circumstances are at the time unknown, reasonable criteria would involve withholding judgment, and realizing that there’s a significant chance, given the Palestinian history of using women and children as living bombs, that the shooting might have been in self-defense or accidental; and that even if it was cold-blooded murder, such murder would be an exception to usual Israeli behavior. However, in the comments section, a self-hating Jew decided to ignore all this and imply that the Israelis are as murderous as those other Semites.

  28. Mobius: Yu skin iz thin kid…Yu dish it out but can’t…take…it. I think you started it, correct? I was merely defending some guy named Charles and another named Avi. Neither of whom were here to protect themselves from your exagerated insults. Check the record, check the record, check the guy’s track record.
    That anarchism pdf didn’t load (typical).
    🙂

  29. i’m just trying to figure out; well these fukin sheenies have no place to go. these fukin immigrants spread out evrywhere. no background, no country, no homeland. completely the most obnoxious fukers in this world. i hate kikes. make me itchy.

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