÷øï ÷ééîú ìéùøàì Or The Jewish National Fund?

Imagine this happening in the USA:

The Jewish National Fund (JNF) is not required to act for the good of all of Israel’s citizens and asking it to allocate land for the benefit of everyone is tantamount to nationalizing its assets, according to a document submitted to the High Court of Justice this week.
[…] In response to the JNF, the petitioners’ attorneys argued that the prohibition against discrimination applies to private organizations, as well as public authorities. In any case, they added, because the JNF carries out government functions, it cannot be seen as a private organization. The petitioners also noted that their petition was directed against a undisputedly public body, the Israel Lands Administration, which administers JNF lands and must market them equally to all citizens.

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23 thoughts on “÷øï ÷ééîú ìéùøàì Or The Jewish National Fund?

  1. Well, Israel is not the United States, which is why Oofnik came to my country from his. We’ll just pretend that Oofnik didn’t volunteer to come to a country founded on the genocide and disposession of the native americans. I was born here, what is your excuse?
    So to answer the question, yes Moishe, I can imagine it happening in the USA.

  2. Asaf, as your achi, I have to agree with the above said (Little Ol’ Me – good delivery.
    The JNF looks like an exclusive high school click compared to the US’s economy.
    I have problems when people hold Israel to higher standards. The US’s crimes against Natives, Africans, and 3rd World Peoples continues today. Yes, we are Jews (and we have supposedly high morals to live by). And yes Israel is supposed to be a light unto other nations. But please, making the JNF sound like something unique is absurd. If anything, it just shows similar trends that are happening and have happened around the world due to corproate globalization and neo-liberalism.

  3. 1) Erm, that would be perfectly normal in the United States, Canada, or any other democratic country.
    Here, this is how they put it in the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms in Quebec, where I live: “ A distinction, exclusion or preference based on the aptitudes or qualifications required for an employment, or justified by the charitable, philanthropic, religious, political or educational nature of a non-profit institution or of an institution devoted exclusively to the well-being of an ethnic group, is deemed non-discriminatory.”
    The Jewish National Fund is undoubtedly an ethnic association. It’s hardly surprising to hear that it is not required to act for the good of all of Israel’s citizens: it doesn’t represent all of Israel’s citizens.
    2) ‘Course, that doesn’t mean there’s no problem. There is: the Jewish National Fund owns way too much of Israel’s land. The state has wrongly farmed it way too many of its own responsibilities to it.
    That may or may not have been justified at one time. It’s certainly no longer justified today. So the problem has to be fixed — which starts, I’d argue, with understanding what it is: not the JNF, but the amount of place it’s been able to take in public life.

  4. Good post 8opus.
    How about this scenario: King Fahd takes all that oil money we’re giving him and buys up huge patches of, say, San Francisco neighborhoods. He then donates it to a charity that decides that only red-headed Joni Mitchell fans may now reside in those areas. Yjey even put gates to enclose the neighborhoods.
    I’m certain it would cause an uproar…

  5. “The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room compromise on this point … We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe.” Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund

  6. John Brown, do you have a source for that? I mean, not that it matters without context. But I’m just curious whether you can locate a verified source.
    Can someone with access to a library see whether they can locate the Machover Israca of January 5, 1973 and take a look at page 2 and find the context for this supposed quote. Also, what is the Machover Israca?
    I’m only asking because this quote shows up on Google solely on a couple of proPalestinian and a couple of Lefty sites.

  7. While we’re on the subject of sources, John Brown, you might want to take a quick look at the source for Cactus48’s Weitz quote. Since this is the quote that is cut and pasted into all of the proPalestinian and Lefty sites, you should know where its origins lie. Ta da! http://www.RePortersNoteBook.com/
    This kind of encapsulates how the mad far Left has essentially become a carbon copy of the mad far Right when it comes to Jews and Israel. The “revisionist” actually claims that this is the reason for antisemitism.

  8. Money quote from that stupid website John Brown quotes – “The decision to partition Palestine, promoted by the leading imperialist powers and Stalin’s Soviet Union, gave 54% of the fertile land to the Zionist movement. But before the state of Israel was established, the Irgun and Haganah seized three-quarters of the land and expelled virtually all the inhabitants.
    In 1948, there were 475 Palestinian villages and towns. Of these, 385 were razed to the ground, reduced to rubble. Ninety remain, stripped of their land.

    As if this happened in a bubble without the rejection of the partition plan, which had the United Nations’ (the vaunted world community!) imprimatur, as if the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab states did not happen as a punitive measure for the rise of zionism, and as if the razing of arab villages did not happen in the context of war – while arab villages in israel proper were not raised.
    Gotta love the radical left/right nexus. A little commie-nazi love is a beautiful thing indeed…

  9. John Brown, the cut-n-paste google-scholar is postin’ without thinkin’ or writin’ again heh? Funny how he likes to do that.

  10. “Since this is the quote that is cut and pasted into all of the proPalestinian and Lefty sites, you should know where its origins lie.”
    You mean Ben Franklin’s “chit-chat around the table” where he discloses his suspicions of the Jews might be fabricated too???!!

  11. An idea…
    Perhaps John Brown is actually a staff person of the Jewish Educational Council and is using incitement to encourage Jews to debate, and hence learn, more about their history. If so, kudos to Federation UJA for figuring out such a unique approach to education.
    If not…FEH.

  12. John Brown, who do you think you’re convincing here? You linked us to an online book called “The Hidden History of Zionism” which is what I would expect from the folks at Stormfront (it’s actually not what I expect, I’ve seen them link to it a number of times).
    Nonetheless, I looked at the footnotes quoting Weitz and again they are entirely out of context. We don’t know what he’s talking about and why he is saying what he is. Moreover, your fave book, “The Hidden History of Zionism” is quoting, for its footnotes, two books, one by Uri Davis and the other by Uri Davis and Norton Mezvinsky who have given us such objective titles as “Israel: an Apartheid State” and “Documents from Israel, 1967-73: Readings for a Critique of Zionism.” Uh huh, that’s a real unbiased Israel-loving pair of scholars you and he are quoting.
    Now we know that Mr. Schoenman, Cactus 48, and the apparent antisemite from Reportersnotebook all have an agenda. So now let’s take a look at the agenda of Mr. Davis and Mr. Mezvinsky (just in case their book titles didn’t give you pause). They’re both signed on this exquisite document:
    The RETURN Statement
    Against the Israeli Law of Return – For the Palestinian Right to Return
    On 2 November 1917, the British Government issued the Balfour Declaration. This represented the first major victory for the Zionist project of transforming Palestine from a part of the Ottoman empire into a Jewish state – a project which came to fruition on 15 May 1948, with the proclamation of ‘the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine’.
    As a result, the Palestinian people now live either under Israeli rule or in exile. Those in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 (many of them refugees from areas occupied in 1948) live under continuing harsh military rule; those in the territories occupied in 1948 are second-class residents in a Jewish state, denied the rights and privileges accorded to those residents recognised by the state as Jews.
    Israel has become an armed camp, at war both with its neighbours and with its subject Palestinian population. In its operations in Africa, Asia and Latin America, Israel represents a major link in the world network of repressive and racist regimes. Its nuclear weapons capacity, developed in alliance with South Africa, is a danger to the entire Middle East, and to the whole world.
    In spite of this, Jewish communities have been recruited by Israel as both support and justification for its activities. The historic sufferings of Jews, particularly the Nazi murder of six million European Jews, are held to justify Israel’s existence and behaviour. Israel continues to present itself as acting in the name of the Jewish people in international affairs.
    We, entitled to the privileges accorded under the Israeli Law of Return to Jews and their close relatives, declare our opposition to the state of Israel as a Jewish state and to the Zionist movement. We call on our fellow Jews and their close relatives to join us in making the following statement:
    * the Palestinian people, at whose expense the state of Israel was established and continues to exist, have the right to return, to self-determination and to their independent state on Palestinian soil;
    * the Palestine Liberation Organisation is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people;
    * the state of Israel does not represent all Jewish people, neither legally, morally nor in any other way;
    * the Zionist structure of the state of Israel is at the heart of the racism and oppression against the Palestinian people, and should be dismantled.
    So if I get this right, you are trying to make some point about the JNF by quoting without context from its former head by providing quotes, first from sites that got it from an apparent antisemitic Holocaust revisionist, who, in turn, got his information from some anti-Zionist manifesto, which was written by a man who is using as his sources two avowed anti-Zionist historians who live comfortably in England making their living attacking Israel.
    Let me know if there’s something you wish to discuss.
    In the meantime, chew on this: the Arabs could have also formed an Arab National Fund or (if they had known what a Palestinian was) the Palestinian National Fund. They didn’t. In fact, their well-to-do landowners willingly and gladly sold their land at exorbitant prices to the Jewish organization.
    The mission of that organization was to enable the self-determination of the Jewish nation by acquiring the historic homeland of the Jewish people so that they could inhabit it. Do you know what the irony is? If the people whom you support in your anti-Zionist zeal (I’m sorry if I’m falsely accusing you but your sources all lead me to lists with Norman Finkelstein, Shahak, Schoenman and other anti-Israel fanatics) hadn’t launched a war in 1948, eventually the JNF would have bought the land that the Yishuv won as Arabs were trying to exterminate them.

  13. maybe you didn’t bother to actually click on the link and see what the source quoted is:
    Joseph Weitz, A Solution to the Refugee Problem, Davar, September 29, 1967. Cited in Uri Davis and Norton Mezvinsky, eds, Documents from Israel, 1967-1973, p.21.
    I find refernence to the Davis/Mevinsky book here at the ‘Virtual Israel Bookstore’
    Davar was (is?) a newspaper owned by Histadrut Labor Federation, a trade union. You can see its logo here at israelimages.com.

  14. I know Davar well because I used to read it before it died an untimely death.
    I’m not saying, nor have I said, that your quote isn’t accurate or that he didn’t say those things. I started by asking for the source and the context of the quote.
    You know, I could go and quote Benny Morris saying pretty much the same thing that you quoted, and very recently. If you were to read that quote 30 years from now and not know who Benny Morris is, you could twist it to suggest that he is some right-wing Arab-hating pro-Israel advocate, when in reality he is the father of the very movement that gives people like Uri Davis some cache in European circles. Unnless you know Morris’s work or Weitz’s, and how they came to their conclusions, and what the context of the discussion might be, it’s very challenging to draw any inference from it.
    However, you have no problem quoting from sources that take a very anti-Israel line and presenting that quote as some sort of premise or argument. I’m calling you on it, dude. Go find the source, tell us the context of the quote and then we can have a discussion. As long as you keep providing these out of context quotes provided by Israel hating lefties, you’re convincing me of nothing.
    By the way, since Davar was an active newspaper, there should be archives of it in most serious Israeli libraries and perhaps even a few in the US at schools with decent ME departments.
    If you want to have a discussion, I’m happy to talk. But please cut it out with the bilious sources, they’re not worth the disappearing pixels with which I write this.

  15. Wait, T_M, there’s still lots of fun we can have with distorted context! Here, let me try:
    Excerpt from “J’s Brief History of the World for College Students who Know Everything”, published 2019:
    *1939: Jewish resentment builds against Germans.
    *1943: Hamburg firebombed; temperatures reach 1800 degrees Fahrenheit; German children immolated.
    *1944: Jews REALLY hate Germans.
    *1945: Germany defeated, destroyed, split in two; thousands starve in winter.
    Conclusion: Oh, those Jews…
    And I did this using real facts! Before you spoil the fun with your rational arguments, why don’t you try one of these?

  16. Even better conclusion:
    With the German defeated, Jews were finally free to push forward with their eternal Zionist agenda.

  17. Not that I want to interrupt the John Brown fest or anything, but re my comments above, interesting to see that Asaf changed the headline from “JNF” to “KK le-Israel or Jewish N.F”.
    It’s a good point, kind of. The English and French names are pretty clear, but the Hebrew name falls into the ambiguity (Yisrael = the people? the country? the land?) that’s a problem for most nation-state.
    In other countries it’s what gives rise to terms like “ethnic French” or “Qu?b?cois pure laine”, lehavdil the majority ethnic group (whose name is the same as the country’s) from all the other ethnic groups (who are citizens, but from a different cultural background).
    (The equivalent here in Montreal fwiw is the Soci?t? Saint-Jean-Baptiste; they’re still trying to figure out whether they’re affiliated with the French-Canadian majority, or the whole Qu?b?cois population, or what.)
    I wonder whether that has something to do with the whole disdain-for-the-diaspora strain in the roots of Israel’s founding. Would there be a stigma for it to identify itself as the Keren ha Yehudi? Would that put it up front in people’s faces that its close association with the state and with such large portions of the land is the wrong way to go? (Hell: if you took it to the Israeli Antitrust Bureau, wouldn’t they call that anticompetitive?)

  18. Oh, hey, I found a good take on this story from Headheeb here.
    What Asaf’s spin kind of obscures is that the reason this is in the news is because the Israeli Supreme Court is being asked to reach into how the JNF administers its land and find that, although it’s private, it’s de facto public because of the large influence it plays.
    Which is pretty interesting. We’ll have to see how it turns out. Asaf, you’ll post the result, right?

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