This is kind of muck-raking, don’t you think? I mean – technically it’s true, but a more accurate headline would probably read “Arab guy in an editorial Condemns UN’s Holocaust Recognition” rather than “Arab Press Condemns UN’s Holocaust Recognition”

Why should the persecution of criminals, political subversives, gypsies, homosexuals, and jews at the hands of Germans receive special attention from the UN while the extermination of far more Russian Christian innocents at the hands of the Anti-Christian Jewish Red Commissars in Russia does ignored? The orders for that studiously ignored pogram came from Trotsky, the Jewish Commissar of Commissars. Yet Spielberg will never Direct a “Schindler’s List” Movie for them or their genocide. Why is that? Because Jews did it, many of them American Jews, in fact.
Millions of Christians were murdered in the USSR under Jewish Marxism between 1917-1945, and many of the Marxists came to Russia from New York to do this to Christians in 1917 after Jacob Schiff, the Jewish anti-Christian banker who owned The Guaranty National Trust, the largest bank in the United States, financed Lenin and Trotsky to the tune of $35 million to underwrite the Red Revolution and the mass killing of these Christian souls including the Czar and his famliy. Why does Jewish owned Western media ignore this? I have no problem acknowledging the actual persecution suffered by Jews (innocent and guilty) and others in Germany. This should never have happened. But why do Jews fail to acknowledge that their people raped and murdered and tortured with abandon the poor peasants and Kulaks of Russia? Why the double standard. Jews, will repond that they weren’t really Jews, they were athiest Marxists thus introducing another double standard (if a secular Jew does something good we count him as a Jew, if he does something bad like genocide he is not a Jew, just someone of Jewish decent.) Are any Jews out there honest enough to acknowledge that Jews were responsible for torturing and slaughtering many more millions of Russian Christians in the last century than Nazis did to the Jews? Why is honest history of this period so tightly suppressed by the Jewsish owned media? Let the Orwellian spin and ad hominem begin….

All press is technically state sanctioned so long as there is a state. Anyway you can find lots of bigoted op/eds on both sides to be quite frank with you. Just today, I was doing a search on the moderate Palestinian Sabeel Center and came across an article on a website called “The Coalition for Responsible Peace” that called them extremist for saying that no one had a right to desecrate the Dome of the Rock, and then it claimed to Dome was a conspiracy on the part of Palestinians to suppress Jewish Culture. This “Coalition for a Responsible Peace” is a coalition that includes American Jewish Committee” a so-called “mainstream” Jewish group. It also includes “Christian-Zionist” StandwithIsrael and “The David Project, the people who smeared Joseph Massad at Columbia.
They also claimed Sabeel supported terror, which is complete bullshit. I am thinking about blogging this smear campaign, since it has spread to many mainstream media outlets, but I am scared of threats from these groups, knowing that they probably support the destruction of the two holy mosques, I feel they are probably extremist nut cases. Anyway, why does “mainstream” AJC want to sanction the view that the Dome of the Rock and anyone that defends it is involved conspiracy to suppress Jewish culture?

Dan:
Wow.

True, Sabeel does not support terror. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t demonize Israel or push a two state solution, ie wiping Israel off the map.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/arc…

What Sabeel says: “The peace we are talking about guarantees the security and territorial integrity of Israel within its 1967 borders and allows the Palestinians to establish their own independent and sovereign state on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Jerusalem will have to be shared and all other issues can find appropriate solutions based on international law.”

Xisnotx, why don’t you back that statement up with a link.
Here’s a lil’ something Sabeel head Naim Ateek said about the one-state solution:
“I still believe that this solution is feasible. It is the best and easiest to implement. […However,] Israel insists above all on being a Jewish state. As part of a democratic, binational Palestine, the Jews would eventually become a minority in the country.” (Justice, p166).

The Holocaust, which was the supposed justification for the creation of the State of Israel, was simply an opportunity by the Western bankers who funded Hitler, to police the oil-rich Middle East. Israel is the most obscene tribute to the victims of the holocaust that I can imagine, and has perpetuated a holocaust of the Palestinian people. It does exist, however, and the question is, of course, what kind of Israel is it going to be – a tool of US Imperialism – or a state based upon justice and human rights.

A morally responsible investment in the hands of a racist group like Sabeel is simply a spin on the same old divestment campaign, no different from what the AUT tried to do to international condemnation.
After disengagement, the least people can do is acknowledge that Israel made a move for peace and the Palestinians haven’t. I guess we should all divest from Israel now. That would make the world better. I see your logic. And I see why you defend scum like Sabeel.
Ateeks altumate dream is a world without Israel. My ultimate dream is a world without Xisnotx and his racist ilk.
Bringing Sharon into this dicussion is called Moving the Goalpost. Its what people do when they have been trapped in the corner and have no way to advance their point. Should I start quoting Arafat now? Would that make my point about Sabeel any clearer?
This is not a group that really wants peace and justice. It exploits that language to advance a radical agenda that involves destroying Israel. Its nice to know they would “accept” a two-state solution. What’s the alternative? Would they all slash their wrists if a Palestinian state came into being?

What peace move would you like to see from the Palestinians? Sabeel vigorously condemns suicide bombings. Should they drop their objections to settlements and the wall? maybe they shouldnt have the temerity to oppose the theft of their land and resources?
Sharon says no Palestinian state, and this is irrelevant? only the powerful Ateek’s “hidden agenda” is what matters? I can’t figure out your quote. There’s an elision, an added word, what’s the context? what’s this Justice you’re quoting?
Sabeel calls for divestment only from companies directly involved in making money off the occupation. How outrageous — asking people not to invest in the occupation. How will that destroy Israel? How is it racist?
from nimn.org: “We do not believe that such investment plans are, by their very nature either anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli. On the contrary, the Occupation is destroying Israeli society by increasing poverty. violence. and insecurity. Therefore actions that support the occupation are, in fact, pro-Israeli. Furthermore, we beleive that such actions are in keeping with our vision of a Judaism that is based on the principle of justice.” (Not in My Name statement of support for selective divestment)

lil ol me, you are proping up strawmen. There is not reasoning with you. Since they would accept two states it goes and have actually planned for them it goes without saying that they would not slit their rists.
I doubt any palestinian will ever think Israel’s founding was a good thing, just as most American Indians wished America hadn’t happened. If you demonize them over it, and call them extremist you make peace impossible to achieve. By you standard 99% of them except for a few sellouts are extremists.

“What peace move would you like to see from the Palestinians?” – Um, lets see? Oh, I don’t know. I can’t really think of anything the Palestinians could do to help peace, except maybe cut down a bit on drive-by shootings at tramiatas, suicide bombings in open markets in cities like Hadera, and firing rockets into cities on the Israeli side of the green line. Other than that, they’re all the Palestinians are a bunch of Ghandies. Never has a more peace-loving people roamed the Earth.
If I have to spell this stuff out to you, you’re heads up you ass too far to facilitate discussion. Why don’t you ask the racists at Sabeel what the Palestinians can do for peace. I’d love to hear that answer, dickhead.
You don’t seem to understand that Israel took a big risk with disengagement. Punishing Israel for doing that is NOT smart. It only shows that Israel can do no right. Israel could withdraw from all the territories tomorrow, and shit like you will find something to blame Israel for.
“Sharon says no Palestinian state, and this is irrelevant??” – Shit like you will only hear what you want to hear. Sharon has gone on record repeatedly, most recently at the UN General Assembly, saying that the Palestinian state is necessary.
You say that Sabeel considers a one-state solution the ideal but understands that it is unlikely to happen. That’s like saying someone considers transfering the Arabs out of the West Bank ideal, but understands it isn’t going to happen. If someone says that, they are racist. And if someone says that destroying Israel is ideal, that’s racist too.

Sharon will divide the west bank into three cantons and call it a state. That is bogus. Also multicultural state is not the same as advocating transfer unless you assume inherent evil on the part of the Palestinians. It is simply ridiculous to claim that a multicultural state is the same as dreaming of transfer. That is nothing but a “glittering generality” the stock and trade of a propagandist.

John Brown writes: “Were people in South Africa who demanded ‘one man one vote’ inherently racist also according to your logic ?”
No, but if a South African demanded a vote in Namibia, then he would just be ridiculous.
Your analogy is totally wrong, John. Two states. Two governments. Two elections. THAT is what we should be striving for — anything else, whether on the extreme right or extreme left is either a racist pipe dream or a stupid pipe dream.
Denying palestinians the right to vote in Israel is equivalent to denying Americans the right to vote in Canada.
ANYONE who advocates a one-state “binational” solution, no matter how laudable their aims, is not part of the solution …they are part of the problem. Sorry.

Dameocrat: “Also two states is not workable without giving up the Settlements and Sharon has already stated he won’t.”
What about Gaza…? And Sharon will not be prime minister forever.

mobius: “moshe — how do you account for the fact that more jews were killed under that very same “jewish” marxist regime than under the nazi regime?”
Moshe: You didn’t answer my questions but used the diversionary tactic of asking your own questions instead. But I will indulge you. If your claim is true and more than 6 million jews died at the hands of the soviets, why is there no mention of this when a whole industry has been devoted to memorializing the Nazi “holocaust”? Surely if more jews died at the hands of Bolshevik Russians the Jews would be whining about it incessently?
mobius: “how do you account for the fact that the practice of judaism was outlawed in the ussr?”
Moshe: very easily. the revolution was overtly secular in nature and opposed to all the god-oriented superstitions including judaism.
mobius: “how do you account for the fact that all throughout the soviet era, pogroms persisted against jewish people? ”
Moshe: again, very easily. the orginal plan was for the jew trotsky to lead soviet russia after lenin, with the backing of Western finance through jacob schiff representing the rothchild interests. on lenin’s death trotsky was sick and unable to effectively assume this role before stalin seized power. stalin was responsible for purging jews that he felt were a threat to his power (a reasonable move considering how dominant jews were in the conspiracy). does that answer your question?
mobius: “how do you account for the fact that the kgb propped up the plo to destabilize israel? because the soviets were jews?”
Moshe: please don’t put words into my mouth. israel is a pawn in a much larger game. as you can see from my previous answer direct control of the soviet union passed out of the hands of the original jewish conspiritors at the death of lenin, so your point is moot. i never said the soviets post lenin were zionists, nor did i say that the original jewish bolsheviks were zionists (although their backers created israel as well as the soviet union, but not out of any love for jews or israel).
mobius: “did you ever read marx’s “on the jewish question”? did you ever read trotsky? they call for the extinction of judaism. how is advocating your own people’s destruction a jewish plot?”
Moshe: I have read marx and trotsky, both secular jews. i am using the broader ethnic definition of jews. i never claimed that religious jews were the ones that did the killing in the soviet union so your reply is a non-sequitor.
mobius: “you know how you can pick the skinhead out of the crowd? he’s the one impervious to logic and reason; and further, completely ignorant of history. in the sharpie and rash world there’s a name for those types of skins: boneheads.”
Moshe: when the facts aren’t on your side, use ad hominem.