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Rally Against Real Genocide

There will be a rally taking place this Sunday in Central park at 72nd organized by NotNowNotEver an innovative group Spearheaded by Yeshiva University students, involving students from dozens of schools an organizations.
The purpose of the rally is to protest the genocide currently taking place in the Darfur region of the Sudan. The government there has enlisted armed men – Janjaweed – to ransack the country and systematically rape, murder and torture its black inhabitants. Based on eye witness accounts alone they estimate that around 400,000 have been killed, and 10,000 die a month in the DP camps.
On Thursday of this week the Jewish community will commemorate the Holocaust, an attempted genocide of monstrous scale just over half a century ago. One outstanding message that Holocaust survivors, liberators and educators all attempt to convey is “Never Again.” Never again should other nations of the world stand idly by while one nation, one people, suffers a cruel torturous fate.

23 thoughts on “Rally Against Real Genocide

  1. Erm, I don’t mean to pick nits unnecessarily, so I’ll leave it at this:
    I assume it was UNintentional that you refer to the crisis in Darfur as “genocide” and to the holocaust as “an attempted genocide”.
    Right?

  2. well, all of the major groups targeted in the Holocaust still exist, even Communists and Roma. Can’t say that about many Native American nations, or the Tasmanians, or some others.

  3. i think its a good thing as it shows us reacting to something that ligitimatily requires outrage. As opposed to people making resettlement into the warwaw gettho walking are with Jewish star.
    Anytime we do that kind of protesting or picketing in front of near dead nazi guards. That stuff just makes us look like secong generation PTSD suffers ,like a college educated form of your nutty survivor aunt walking a round with a sandwich in her pocket book

  4. 35:
    Well, okay — but why are you defining genocide as “an act of violence that TOTALLY wipes out a group of people”? That seems radical.
    By that logic, too, the injustices in Darfur don’t consitute genocide either, since there are still SOME African Darfurians around.
    My point — with which you seem to agree — was that the Holocaust and the atrocities in the Sudan might be comparable, but that it’s a little ridiculous to modify the Holocaust as an “attempted” ANYTHING, when compared to the smaller-scale destruction being waged in Darfur.

  5. jewbaka,
    Ponder the gap between Republican Party rhetoric and the Bush administration’s relationship with Khartoum, and you’ll get it.

  6. I say we have a rally against, the Muslims proclaimed Jihad against the and their intentions to commit GEnocide by pushing us into the ocean. Actually we could include it, since both Sudan and the Jews have the same antagonist….

  7. Mmm, Sudan and the Jews don’t really have a common antagonist. The government of Sudan is pretty much compliant in these massacres. Their enemies are the people of Darfur. The Janjaweed militia they are using to commit these heinous crimes is not the same as the various armies and paramilitary terror groups surrounding Israel. Yes, ethnically they are of Arabian descent and religiously do belong to Islam. However, that is where the similarity ends. They are not Middle Eastern, rather they have adopted many Sudanese traits into their cultural ways. Further, they do not belong to the same Arab tribal communities that exist in the areas surrounding Israel, such as Syria. Thus, they are ethnically Arab, religiously Muslim, yet culturally North African and pertaining to unique tribal communities.
    Aside from lip-service anti-Israel rhetoric, I don’t think they think of Israel very much since they seem to be concerned at the moment with raping and pillaging Darfur. On the other hand, the peoples of Syria have long been concerned with the Israeli-Arab and Israeli-Palestinian axis as, aside from easily exploitable religious concerns, they make nifty detractions from the terrible conditions imposed by the dictatorial government system.
    Israel then doesn’t really fit into this aspect of global-relations, and the merits of fighting for this cause should largely depend on your own perspectives of the various moral implications involved.
    Not bashing on you, my man, you just have to be careful and choose with whom you wish to fight wisely.

  8. Axl,
    Sudan is a member nation of the Arab League and Organization of Islamic Conferences (and hosted the 1968 Arab League summit from which emerged the infamous 3 No’s of Khartoum). As such, they are part of a broad multinational alliance that has at its core a racist ideology advancing Arab-Muslim hegemony in a huge region of the planet. Significant to that effort is the necessary demonization of the only non-Arab/Muslim state in the region. They need the Zionist bogeyman the same way the dominant reactionary conservatives in America need the “liberal elite” bogeyman to “protect” their base constituencies from. It is a very effective leadership model.

  9. That may be, although we would have to look at the record of government propaganda that use the term Zionist, the general population’s concept of Jews, the impact thereupon, the problems within government-populace interaction, and how promoted hatred detracts from these problems, as well as whether the hatred against the people of Darfur currently fills this position to be certain.
    However, before you can equalize all things and include it within a pro-Israel context you must ask yourself:
    1)How active has Sudan been in decrying Zionism and/or promoting antisemitism as of late, (say this year)
    2)Is this more or less than those who pose an immediate strategic threat to Israel, say Syria
    3)Are they more or less concerned with the Jews and Israel than the unfortunate people of Darfur upon whom their attention is now concentrated
    4) Are they quite influential concerning Israel and do they have a great deal of leadership ‘credit’ to promote their ideas?
    5) Are they deeply involved and active within the ALOIC or are they, like many members, merely there to pay lip-service to the dying ideological system that is Pan-Arabism, (like Morroco for instance)?
    6) Given that Indonesia (and its infamous 2002 ‘Jew-hunts’ at the airport) is an active member of the ALOIC, and poses absolutely no threat to either Israel or the Jews depite many a cleric’s desire, and given that countries like Syria and Egypt, also active members of the ALOIC, are now gearing up for war against Israel and hence pose an immediate strategic threat, is the government of Sudan more like the former or the latter? If the latter, should we devote as much energy to Sudan as we do to these other countries?
    If you can answer yes to all the above, then you can probably include Sudan within an Israeli activist system of thought. If not then you probably have to let the issue stand on its own merits. Lots of people hate us, consider France, and many want us destroyed, consider the AUT, but, although I’m not saying I have all the answers, I’m just saying that with limited resources whom we fight is almost as important as how we fight.

  10. Axl: “…before you can equalize all things and include it within a pro-Israel context….”
    This seems like a flawed premise. I submit only that it is worthwhile to examine the scapegoating tendencies of authoritarian leadership models, and to draw attention to the consistencies concerning the hegemonistic triumphalism of a multinational Arab-Muslim establishment, of which the government of Sudan is obviously a part. Unless you are making an assertion that Jews are not a valid and viable people with legitimate national aspirations (and I admit that it is unclear to me if you are), then I fail to appreciate what a “pro-Israel context” even has to do with the point.

  11. It is a flawed premise indeed, which is why I do not advocate it and am arguing to consider the issue of Sudan and the Arab Israeli conflict as two seperate issues and hence do not, as some have argued, have much of a common thread (i.e. the “common enemy” comment above).
    I assert nothing other than the above, and am merely questioning just how obvious and integral a part of a multinational Arab establishment the government of Sudan really is, since this seems to be advocated by some as a strong reason for Jews to rally behind the people of Darfur as opposed to the many other, far more obvious, reasons such as documented group murder and rape. That is why I brought up those questions, as a means of guaging just how part of this Arab-Muslim establishment Sudan can be considered. I believe that, while considering itself Muslim, and definately majority Sudanese Arab, the government and peoples of Sudan do not concern themselves much with Israel or the Jews, unlike other Arab countries. While belonging to the ALOIC in name, they are not great contributers to UN dialogues. Instead, Sudan has a troubled history with its neighbours, including Egypt, and is largely inward facing, due to numerous civil wars and internal African-Arab and Arab-Arab tribal conflicts. A notable example is the 1983 civil war sparked, in large part, by the attempted institution of Sharia law over the entire country.
    If you are advocating that the “common enemy” is the demonization of a people by an authoritarian regime for the benefit of political subterfuge, then I fully agree but would caution that the true reasons behind this, as with anything else, are likely far more complex than the information we are receiving via the media.
    My strong beliefs in Zionism and the cultural viability of the Jewish people is not a part of this argument at all.

  12. Thanks for clarifying.
    Axl: “[I] am arguing to consider the issue of Sudan and the Arab Israeli conflict as two seperate issues and hence do not, as some have argued, have much of a common thread (i.e. the “common enemy” comment above).”
    Fair enough. The government campaign against the Darfur people is defininitely separate and distinct from the issue of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Nevertheless, Sudan remains one of the nineteen Arab League member nations maintaining a stubborn rejection of a Jewish state despite sharing UN membership for over half a century. We can see a real political consistency between the two issues in terms of absolute rejection of any but Arab national legitimacy anywhere from the Atlantic coast of Africa to the Persian Gulf.
    If the world is serious about assisting the “Arab world” as a full socio-economic participant in the global community, there needs to be a multilateral intervention against this fundamental rejectionism. That is the facet of your response to DiGiTaL’s comment that got my attention. It may not address the entire thrust of DiGiTaL’s comment, but it is a point I found worthwhile pursuing.

  13. Axl I really wasn’t interested in the finer points of the origins or bloodlines of the Sudanese people. The intent of my grammatical nightmare of a comment was to try and draw attention to the big picture…. THe threat to all, especially the Jewish people from radical Islam it manifests itself in many forms and in many areas of the globe, and often have internal conflicts with each other, although almost completely united in their hatred of Israel AKA the JEwish People. We should stand united in our condemnation of such actions, and we should also stand united in our response (militarily) wherever/whatever form it takes shape in (e.g. Janjaweed, Hizballah, Hamas, Al Aquasam, etc). That is the only response they understand, as history has proven time and time again. I am curious as to how many of you would support outside military action in Sudan??? Or do most of you prefer instead to rally around (not that theirs anything wrong with that at all) and make cool signs with hip slogans to show your contempt for the Sudanese Govt (whoopdedoo)

  14. DiGiTaL: “I am curious as to how many of you would support outside military action in Sudan??? Or do most of you prefer instead to rally around (not that theirs anything wrong with that at all) and make cool signs with hip slogans to show your contempt for the Sudanese Govt (whoopdedoo)”
    Support who’s military action in Sudan? The US? Sorry, we’re busy with Afghanistan, Iraq, the Balkans and Korea. And please don’t fall into the stupid and lazy cartoon “cops’n’hippies” pseudohistorical bullshit. Speaking of the Balkans, where were you when Clinton and Blair took down Milosevic? Are you old enough to remember Trent Lott quoting “give peace a chance,” and Republican congressional delegations negotiating with Russia while American troops were engaged in Yugoslavia (and our British allies faced down Russian troops)? If anyone has been inconsistent regarding a wise and prudent use of the military in our time, it is your conservative heroes.
    Meanwhile, back in the jungle, the African Union is supposed to be the outfit to support, according to President Bush. Of course, by now about the only kids our Commander in Chief even has left to deploy these days are his own. So, when are you signing up?

  15. Zionista,
    thank you for making my point. The Yugoslav war highlighted my point in that it exposes “anit-war”(ie-anti repulican) protesters as politicaly motivated. When we were involved in the Yugoslavian conflict there were no protests about the bombing of Belgrades’ infrastructure. Now let us not also forget that while the Middle east, east Asia are areas of vital interest, the Yugoslav conflict was not. As for your coment regarding troop strength, are you sugesting we reinstate the draft? (By the way Democrat CHarles Rangel proposed) if not then we must face the hard fact that no military, even ours is infinite and we need to support our imperfect military, and govt because it all we have. This blog comment didn’t stem from partisan politics, but instead from a more worldy view….

  16. Be serious, please. Democrats voted in big numbers for the invasion of Iraq based on what no one even denies anymore as “fixing facts and intelligence around the policy.”*
    On the other hand, we have Republican leadership on record setting standards for treasonous grandstanding while NATO kicked over Milosevic.**
    How you manage to accuse Democrats of some sort of partisan hackery is historical revionism worthy of Ernst Zundel.
    [Links to follow]

  17. What about the Jewish-run Russian Revolution that killed tens of thousands of Christians. You clowns are in no position to feel sorry for yourselves! And to top that one off,–are in no position to be the judgemental police force of any crime or attrocity! See my comments on the Halocaust,–in your Halocaust section dated 5-17 and early morning 5-18-05.
    If what you say is true about the mass executions in Sudan, I pray for the victims!
    But in your cultures’ case,–you have been behind too much corruption and evil throughout the ages to be trusted and believed by anybody but your selfish selves!

  18. i think this is all bullsh**t, the jews arent the only group of people that have been treated badly and went through a tough time..almost all ethnice groups have..y dont blacks complain half as much? dang, they went thru a hell lot worse of a time than the jews and theyre still going through racism, so why is it the jews get special treatment..thats not fair and it gettin out of hand. and just for the record i dont think the jewish people should head all thats powerful, yall dont let nobody in but you own kind. not beein racist but yall need back tha f**k up a bit and let this messed country be.

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